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I wish I would have taken some pictures of it, but
it is a Winchester 97 black diamond 12 ga. The stock has been cracked in 2 different spots with a chunk out of it at the receiver and patched, absolutely no blueing left on it. Seems to function. Forearm seems good, but plate has been replaced. The guy said it is a beater and looks like it was used over some ones head, as far as he knows it shoots. He got it 30+ years ago and put it in the closet and that is where it remained until he got it out to show me last week. He doesn't remember what he paid for it and doesn't know what he wants for it. I know it is a hard question but what do you think about a price for it. 2020 blue book puts the 10% value at 400.00
I'm just looking for an ol Win 97 shooter field gun.
 

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I've worked on quite a number of those over the years and will have to admit although I am not a huge fan...they are durable. I have only seen one black diamond stock on one and it was interestingly an English Style. Not sure if it came out of their custom shop or not. The 97 was an upgrade over the 1893 which Winchester proofed for smokeless 2 3/4 inch shells although it would still reliably feed the 2 5/8 inch which were still fairly common at the time.

I used to see stocks on Gunbroker and eBay from time to time and Norinco made a replica which might be found. On a whim, I just checked Boyd's and they manufacture a replacement for the 97 which can be had had for less than $150.

Good luck and all the best.
 

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How is the bore? Any pitting in there?
Re-stocked and re-blued, it may be worth $400 if the bore is good, but it sounds like that gun has had many years of abuse. I would not give more than $125 for it, and that is based on possibly wanting it for a parts gun.
JMHO.
 

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You might want to check the chamber lengths. Some of the 12 ga. are 2-1/2".
The Winchester 1893 was chambered for a 2 5/8" shell.

The Winchester 1897......All 12 guages were chambered 2 3/4".........The 16 ga 97 was chambered for a 2 5/8" shell....Changed to 2 3/4" in 1931. No 97's were ever chambered for a 2 1/2" shell.
 

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After going and looking at it again the stock wasn't as bad as first thought but did have a fixed crack in it. The bore was bright and no rust or pitting inside or out. It locked up tight. All bluing is gone. It did have original blk butt pad. The barrel was 26" modified by a gunsmith I'd say. I did bring it home.
 

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I wish I would have taken some pictures of it, but
it is a Winchester 97 black diamond 12 ga. The stock has been cracked in 2 different spots with a chunk out of it at the receiver and patched, absolutely no blueing left on it. Seems to function. Forearm seems good, but plate has been replaced. The guy said it is a beater and looks like it was used over some ones head, as far as he knows it shoots. He got it 30+ years ago and put it in the closet and that is where it remained until he got it out to show me last week. He doesn't remember what he paid for it and doesn't know what he wants for it. I know it is a hard question but what do you think about a price for it. 2020 blue book puts the 10% value at 400.00
I'm just looking for an ol Win 97 shooter field gun.
You might want to check the chamber lengths. Some of the 12 ga. are 2-1/2".
Sir.

The '93 was a 2 5/8" chamber for black powder only. With the discovery of smokeless powder in 1884 (86?), Winchester had Browning develop the '97 with a 2 3/4" chamber for smokeless powder and with an improved lockup, etc. The '97 was in 12 ga. (like the Diamond) and 16 ga. but the 16 ga. had a 2 5/8' chamber until 1931 when it was changed to 2 3/4" as well. I like '97's. Just get it - you can regret it late, and have the option of trading or selling it to boot.
 

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I've worked on quite a number of those over the years and will have to admit although I am not a huge fan...they are durable. I have only seen one black diamond stock on one and it was interestingly an English Style. Not sure if it came out of their custom shop or not. The 97 was an upgrade over the 1893 which Winchester proofed for smokeless 2 3/4 inch shells although it would still reliably feed the 2 5/8 inch which were still fairly common at the time.

I used to see stocks on Gunbroker and eBay from time to time and Norinco made a replica which might be found. On a whim, I just checked Boyd's and they manufacture a replacement for the 97 which can be had had for less than $150.

Good luck and all the best.
Sir. What did you find are the biggest weakness(es) of the '97?

Any experience with the '93?
 

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The attached link is to a specialist on the model 1897. You might consider contacting them for information. Good luck!

 
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