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who likes model 50's?
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bobski
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You have good eyes lol.
Says Weaver on it .
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I can't see it.
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How many shells can you shoot before the floating piston gets carbs up and starts to cause malfunctions?........You know Winchester was the FIRST American gun co. to put screw in chokes in shotguns with the 50-59 series. Also Winlite barrel. They said 500 mi. fiberglass thread around a thin steel tube. I believe the 59 had an aluminum receiver.
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My grandpa owned a M50 that I saw every season in the duck blind. I was hoping to get that from him but another descendant has it (hopefully still has it).
Never have fired one.
My dad had one of Winchester’s widowmakers and swore off semi autos after hearing about them inadvertently shooting their owner’s due to poor muzzle control.
Never have fired one.
My dad had one of Winchester’s widowmakers and swore off semi autos after hearing about them inadvertently shooting their owner’s due to poor muzzle control.
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ok.....found it.
by 1956, a total of 22 M50 design problems were addressed. all were fixed. overall, it wasnt much more than a typical gun design today.
when i say 22 design problems, remember, most every gun in production even today is receiving factory bulletins on improved performance. and too...like many then, many owners now arent even aware of them. usually gunsmiths get these bulletins.
spend time as car dealership maintenance supervisor some day and your head would spin with all the required factory changes they need to do on your cars when in for service. some make it into the news. some are just mailed to owners. great, if youre the original owner. but what about the next guy?
same with guns. thus, many M50's were never given the updates they needed, and it got a bad rap.
by 1956, a total of 22 M50 design problems were addressed. all were fixed. overall, it wasnt much more than a typical gun design today.
when i say 22 design problems, remember, most every gun in production even today is receiving factory bulletins on improved performance. and too...like many then, many owners now arent even aware of them. usually gunsmiths get these bulletins.
spend time as car dealership maintenance supervisor some day and your head would spin with all the required factory changes they need to do on your cars when in for service. some make it into the news. some are just mailed to owners. great, if youre the original owner. but what about the next guy?
same with guns. thus, many M50's were never given the updates they needed, and it got a bad rap.
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1. the trigger.
the triggers had issues early on. the error in the trigger was caught in the first year. it had to do with the two notch trigger sear. winchester notified auth win repair centers to grind off the second notch.
basically they over-engineered the m50 to be like the m42 and the m12. the second notch wasnt needed.
you need to take your trigger group out and see if the second notch was filed off.
without the mod, some owners would fire the gun and it would catch on the second hammer notch. the owners would dismount wondering what happened, shake it, hit it, etc...and it would A.D..
some did, some didnt fix it. i still find most undone. its 50/50.
heres a pic of the gunsmith modification bulletin............
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the triggers had issues early on. the error in the trigger was caught in the first year. it had to do with the two notch trigger sear. winchester notified auth win repair centers to grind off the second notch.
basically they over-engineered the m50 to be like the m42 and the m12. the second notch wasnt needed.
you need to take your trigger group out and see if the second notch was filed off.
without the mod, some owners would fire the gun and it would catch on the second hammer notch. the owners would dismount wondering what happened, shake it, hit it, etc...and it would A.D..
some did, some didnt fix it. i still find most undone. its 50/50.
heres a pic of the gunsmith modification bulletin............
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ok, next.
2. loose stocks.
inside the stock, the recoil spring tube
(A) is attached to the stock bolt (B,) thats attached to the receiver(C).... right in the middle with no way to access it, the A&B parts would loosen.
the bulletin was a modification adding curved washer and straight washer to prevent it from turning, placed in the middle.
problem.
you couldnt just add the washers. (though many did and ruined their guns.) it would increase the length of the system ever so slightly. enough to change the positioning of the locking pin into the adjustment cap. this helped destroy the receiver when the bolt recoiled too far.
so, not only did the washers have to go in, a smith had to drill out some wood the size of the washers thickness combined.
the most serious problem that could occur is having the factory installed stock bolt come loose from the reciever. over zealous owners would over torque a stuck recoil spring tube that could rust to the stock bolt if wet or abused, and in doing so, one could accidently loosen the stock bolt at the receiver. problem is, the recoil rod is inside the tube and all you achieve is to disconnect the stock bolt from the receiver. it wont come off until you get the rod out. it has to pass thru the recoil spring tube!
not good at all. when that happens its 'smith' time.
heres the bulletin.............
and a breakdown pic..............
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2. loose stocks.
inside the stock, the recoil spring tube
(A) is attached to the stock bolt (B,) thats attached to the receiver(C).... right in the middle with no way to access it, the A&B parts would loosen.
the bulletin was a modification adding curved washer and straight washer to prevent it from turning, placed in the middle.
problem.
you couldnt just add the washers. (though many did and ruined their guns.) it would increase the length of the system ever so slightly. enough to change the positioning of the locking pin into the adjustment cap. this helped destroy the receiver when the bolt recoiled too far.
so, not only did the washers have to go in, a smith had to drill out some wood the size of the washers thickness combined.
the most serious problem that could occur is having the factory installed stock bolt come loose from the reciever. over zealous owners would over torque a stuck recoil spring tube that could rust to the stock bolt if wet or abused, and in doing so, one could accidently loosen the stock bolt at the receiver. problem is, the recoil rod is inside the tube and all you achieve is to disconnect the stock bolt from the receiver. it wont come off until you get the rod out. it has to pass thru the recoil spring tube!
not good at all. when that happens its 'smith' time.
heres the bulletin.............
and a breakdown pic..............
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one of the reasons the m50 wasnt popular is that it required special tools to take down the stock. it could be ordered, but mostly the smiths had them. today, the internet has tons of cool tools made at home to remove and tighten stocks. i like the 9/16 3/8th socket modification myself.
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cracking forearms.
bottom line. bad design. the forearm is held on by a bolt. when snug, and the gun is fired, the gun would heat up and expand, (its all steel.) the forearm bolt would loosen its hold on the wood. owners would tighten it in the field out of concern.
gun would cool when brought home.....and act like a bench vise and squeeze wood as it shrunk.
crackola.
rule with model 50's is always loosen the stock bolt after firing. and keep it loose in the gun cabinet.
bottom line. bad design. the forearm is held on by a bolt. when snug, and the gun is fired, the gun would heat up and expand, (its all steel.) the forearm bolt would loosen its hold on the wood. owners would tighten it in the field out of concern.
gun would cool when brought home.....and act like a bench vise and squeeze wood as it shrunk.
crackola.
rule with model 50's is always loosen the stock bolt after firing. and keep it loose in the gun cabinet.
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