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For the longest time I had just a pistol grip on my Moss so I always kept a light load in it. Target loads. Now with all the new goodies and sliding stock I would like to upgrade to a shells that's a little heavier and with some really good stopping power. Suggestions welcomed.
 

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I would like to upgrade to a shells that's a little heavier and with some really good stopping power. Suggestions welcomed.
Just about any shotgun shell will have much more power than is needed to stop a threat. You could have #8 shot from a 2-3/4" 20ga shell and you'll still blow giant holes through plywood at close range.

Just my own 2 cents... I'd stick with lower recoil shorter shells. Quicker follow up shots and more shells in your tube.
 

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I suggest using 2 3/4", reduced recoil, 00 Buck.

Bird shot is too small to achieve adequate penetration. The light weight of the individual shot is much too light to go very far in a body unless you are within 2 or 3 yds at most.

The much heavier weight of the 00 Buck will allow for adequate penetration. It is roughly .34 caliber so it is even smaller and lighter than a .380. However, it has a lot more power behind it as well. if you go much smaller than 00 Buck, you may not stop the bad guy.

The guys at theboxotruth.com have this to say.

The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1

I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?

We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.

A policeman told of seeing a guy shot at close range with a load of 12 gauge birdshot, and was not even knocked down. He was still walking around when the EMTs got there. It was an ugly, shallow wound, but did not STOP the guy. And that is what we want... to STOP the bad guy from whatever he is doing. To do this, you must have a load that will reach the vitals of the bad guy. Birdshot will not do this.

In fact, tests have shown that even #4 Buckshot lacks the necessary penetration to reach the vital organs. Only 0 Buck, 00 Buck, and 000 Buck penetrate enough to reach the vital organs.

Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot. Use 00 Buck. It will do the job.

But doesn't 00 Buck penetrate too much in interior walls to be a "safe" load in a home?
Yes, it does penetrate a lot. But any load that is going to be effective will need to penetrate walls to have enough power to penetrate bad guys. If our only concern was to be sure we didn't penetrate walls, we would use BB guns. However, BB guns will not stop bad guys.

Therefore, we must use loads that will STOP bad guys, and this means that they will also penetrate walls. So, be sure you hit the bad guy and do not shoot into walls where loved ones are on the other side.
 

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OK... ok... ok... I stand corrected. :oops:

That link that was posted is a decent study on shotgun penetration. An interesting / informative read. The only home defense guns that I keep at the ready are my XD 45 Tactical and the wife's Bersa 9mm. My other firearms are solely for hunting.
 

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Keep one #6 and a tube of 00, and if one shot makes em stop then cool, you won't have to drywall half the house or bury your kids, if it doesn't maybe it will be a fair distraction until the buckshot starts dismembering. If they walk through #6 and whoop your ass before the next round then you were just screwed from the get go.
 

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Keep one #6 and a tube of 00, and if one shot makes em stop then cool, you won't have to drywall half the house or bury your kids, if it doesn't maybe it will be a fair distraction until the buckshot starts dismembering. If they walk through #6 and whoop your ass before the next round then you were just screwed from the get go.
I used to use #6 lead shot for squirrel and pheasant. Just sayin'.
 

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I do wonder how much energy is lost when buckshot passes through a body. I really don't for see the shot going through someone and then through a wall with the energy to hurt anything.
 
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