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My wife doesn't like shotguns but knowing that there is something out there that will cause non lethal results that she could do, intrigued her; being so she gave me permission to get a shotgun.
 

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So let me get this right, you wife knows there is a threat that could kill you and her but she is against having to kill them before they kill you or her?

You need more then shells my friend…
 

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OK:

Here's the problem with that.

Rubber buckshot, or beanbags, or little bunnyfoofoo tickle taser rounds are all, in fact LETHAL FORCE...because you are DISCHARGING THEM FROM A REAL FIREARM.

In short, you don't use them unless you are in a situation where lethal force is warranted...and if it is why in the name of our dear & fluffy lord would you want to use something less?

LE uses them in specialized situations...and then, only when they have other cops with firearms loaded with live ammunition backing them up.

If you don't want to use lethal force, don't use a shotgun. Period.
 

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A couple of days ago the local PD here shot out a guys truck windows with bean bag rounds. They were using a helicopter to illuminate the truck but still couldn't see inside.
 

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Terrible idea, and I'm not just talking about asking permission from a spouse. Firing a less lethal round at someone is still seen as firing a weapon at someone in the eyes of the law. You do not have the training to deploy such a device effectively and chances are you won't have a lethal option as a backup.

Seek professional training for both of you.
 

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To my knowledge the taser shotgun rounds require specific modifications to a shotgun and the round cannot be chambered without them. Additionally, I'm also fairly certain that once the mods are done, a regular round either can't be chambered, or can't be fired. Either way, you're probably not going to get that far. Work on her mindset and get some buckshot or slugs instead of trying an intermediate solution to an advanced problem.
 

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My wife doesn't like shotguns but knowing that there is something out there that will cause non lethal results that she could do, intrigued her; being so she gave me permission to get a shotgun.
That is wrong on so many levels..

Maeael perhaps you could look into something like this?

Kimber America | Pepperblaster | The most powerful pepper defense system



That way you can run away while your attacker wipes his eyes.
I hope you can ran fast because the effect of this won't last long.

In self defense, my objective is to STOP the advancing lethal threat.
Not slow him/her down, or just piss him/her off.

Good luck Bro...
 

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As a former LEO and current Instructor let me say your "professor" sounds like an idiot,it a kill or be killed world out there. Anytime you use a firearm it is deadly force. Do you think we in Law Enforcement have not killed people with "less than lethal? Also as other have said when we go into a dangerous situation we normally do 2 or more officer with lethal and 1 officer with a taser gun which is not a firearm.
 

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Gave you permission to buy a shotgun???

That doesn't sound right no matter how I read it.

I know this has been touched on earlier, but

#1 A simple verbal command to stop and get down is all the "less than lethal" stuff I would want to try, and there are no gaurantee's that I would even do that under every circumstance and situation. If they do not stop and get down and are still advancing toward me or a family member, it's not the time to play around any more.

#2 A tasers' effects only lasts for as long as the electricity flowing. Which is only shutting down the central nervous system momentarily. And when the taser charge is exhausted, you're back to where you started from, only now the assailant is raging mad that you hurt him and made him piss his self.

Applying the charge for too long of a period of time will certainly cause heart arythmia, and pulmonary disruptions, and under certain conditions, could kill them anyway.

I think it would be easier for me to explain to a jury that I shot and killed them with a bullet or slug or whatever and attempted to do CPR until help arrived than it would be to explain that I tased someone for what the law would consider an exessive amount of time essentially electrocuting them to death. Just about any prosecuting attorney worth his weight in salt could convince a court that you acted as judge and jury, which will end negatively for you.
 

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Terrible idea, and I'm not just talking about asking permission from a spouse. Firing a less lethal round at someone is still seen as firing a weapon at someone in the eyes of the law. You do not have the training to deploy such a device effectively and chances are you won't have a lethal option as a backup.

Seek professional training for both of you.
I do have professional training and I carry everyday. I am trying to get my wife use to having a gun in the house and using a gun when needed. She ,at this point, is not comfortable with guns and and I am trying to work with her on that. As far as getting permission I feel out of respect for my wife it is proper to ask before doing so.
 
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