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1. its been done before.
2. who doesnt know that a silencer needs baffles?
3. 144 dB is not what i call "hearing safe"

Over all the show is kinda cheesy.
I know this I was Just asking some opinions. Just bored at work looking for something to talk about.
 

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1. its been done before.
2. who doesnt know that a silencer needs baffles?
3. 144 dB is not what i call "hearing safe"

Over all the show is kinda cheesy.
Actually, traditional shotgun suppressors were of the relex type, using ported barrels and/or ported barrel extensions inside of a big expansion chamber (tube).



Because of the way the shot cup expands there really wasn't a better way to muffle a shotgun.

Red Jacket took it a step further by adding the baffles, especially in the way they added the baffles. It was pretty ingenious, and different than most any shotgun suppressor that came before it.
 

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I didn't think the show was that bad, it made me want a Saiga 12 even more than I already did... but the daughter was annoying as hell..."Only two people can get away with talking to my dad that way, me and god"..... LOL...give me a break!
 

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I didn't think the show was that bad, it made me want a Saiga 12 even more than I already did... but the daughter was annoying as hell..."Only two people can get away with talking to my dad that way, me and god"..... LOL...give me a break!
That's reality TV..they always have to have "friction" in the shows...just like with OCC...gotta have a guy that's always bossy or whatever causing problems...
 

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Actually, traditional shotgun suppressors were of the relex type, using ported barrels and/or ported barrel extensions inside of a big expansion chamber (tube).



Because of the way the shot cup expands there really wasn't a better way to muffle a shotgun.

Red Jacket took it a step further by adding the baffles, especially in the way they added the baffles. It was pretty ingenious, and different than most any shotgun suppressor that came before it.
So Hooz, Did they actually work? at least to some degree?
 

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I agree with you! Man i really want a Saiga!!
Yea I've been looking at some shotguns an that thing did look real nice. But more research is definitely needed. An I wouldn't mind shooting one of those modded saiga's.
 

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So Hooz, Did they actually work? at least to some degree?
They worked about as well as his first try on the show. Not really even close to hearing safe.

His final can is 16" long with (it looked like) 5-6 total baffles. That got it down to 144(ish)db. I wouldn't call that "hearing safe", but it's a whole fricken lot better than nothing, and the best shotgun can currently made.
 

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to me the main reason I'd want a silencer on a shot gun would be for HD. I'd say I'd take 144db over a standard 12ga blast if it were in my bedroom in the middle of the night. As if things wouldn't be bad enough in the event that you were firing, the effect of the blast you your hearing is just one more thing to make it worse. I'd say it would be a great thing for you HD gun.
 

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Silenced

Can anyone tell me if this gun can hold a 20 mag clip, and if so will it shoot slugs? Also the price on it is kinda high I've found that that same gun with 20 mag clip modified goes for $1,000. And redjacke has theirs for $2,658 with a 6 mth back log?

I was in the Air Force as a crew chief on the F-16's and when we started up those engines we had double hearing protection the foames and bunny ears! We got so close to even have to duck under the flame move around the plane. God I hope it's not that loud

I wish I could buy an AA12!!! :(
 

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No, this firearm cannot take a 20 round clip. It will accept one of the 20 round drum magazines that are on the market.

It will shoot slugs.

I think the concept of a suppressed shotgun is cool, but I think the difference in sound is going to come at a major cost in terms of performance and velocity. The payload (whether it is shot or a slug) and it's propellant is only traveling through 8-10 inches of barrel before entering the suppressor; as opposed to 18-24 inches of barrel in a standard barrel in a Saiga. I wouldn't mind seeing some various rounds choreographed to see how much of a difference it makes.
 

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Can anyone tell me if this gun can hold a 20 mag clip, and if so will it shoot slugs? Also the price on it is kinda high I've found that that same gun with 20 mag clip modified goes for $1,000. And redjacke has theirs for $2,658 with a 6 mth back log?

I wish I could buy an AA12!!! :(
What the heck is a 20 mag clip? No, really, whats a 20 mag clip?
Could you possibly mean a MD Arms 20rd drum magazine?

Anyone with good DIY skills can build a S12 conversion, just as nice as any RJA, for $1K or less, with a MD20 included in the price.
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AA12 sucks for many reasons, keep wishing.

Not available to the general public, it is a post 86' NFA/DD.

Been around for almost four decades and nobody wants it in any quantity?
One must wonder why.

Heavier than the S12 & has a overly complicated design.
The AA-12 has a ridiculous amount of parts & has close tolerances. It's a manufacturing nightmare...
On the other hand, we can fix our S-12s with AK parts that will always be around & due to the loose tolerances, most half-assed machinists can fabricate working parts with commonly available lathes, mills & other tools.

AA12 has a lower automatic rate of fire than the semi S12 has, with a quick finger on the trigger.
250-300rpm vs 360-400rpm, if anyone could feed either one fast enough.
FA S12 has a 500-650rpm ROF.

S12 is fully customizable, AA12 isn't.

The only advantage to the AA-12, is it's low recoil, which is almost zero.
 
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