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I know to cut a barrel of a shotgun to 18.5 JIC you ever get measured they measure the shortest point.

But where are the laws on over all length of the shotgun? I've read 30" and 26" before and I'm not sure where to look it up, google gave me both.
 

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So if I got a stock that folds over the top/use a pistol grip with an 18.5 barrel on a mossberg 500 and the length is 29.2 do I need to go put the other stock back on?
 

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oal under 30" in MI must be registered (or whatever the official term is) as a short gun.
It must be registered as a pistol, actually. And that is ONLY if it falls between the 26"-30" area with folding/collapsing stocks fully folded or collapsed.

Michigan DOES allow AOW's, so you can actually cut the barrel down to whatever length you want, assuming you do not keep a butt stock attached. I've seen a few pistol grip 14" barrel shotties around.
 

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So I can just walk in and have it registered as a pistol? Thats not too big of a hastle. I think when I legally moved I have to register my handguns locally anyways.
 

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It must be registered as a pistol, actually. And that is ONLY if it falls between the 26"-30" area with folding/collapsing stocks fully folded or collapsed.

Michigan DOES allow AOW's, so you can actually cut the barrel down to whatever length you want, assuming you do not keep a butt stock attached. I've seen a few pistol grip 14" barrel shotties around.
I understand the motivation, but personally I just want this for backpacking being able to put it away. I need the shoulder stock and the longer the barrel the harder the punch.

So shotguns are according to http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/Publications/Firearms.pdf larger than 26" but a pistol is anything under 30" so I think its both. But once registered 100% legal.
 

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yes, once registered you are good to go. No need to bring it into the cop shop, we only have to mail in the paperwork now.

One of the "benefits" of registering such guns as a pistol is that you more or less get to abide by the pistol rules in terms of carry and transportation. If you have a CPL you can technically carry it loaded on your person (I wouldn't...) and you can transport it loaded and within reach. I am using the same "loophole" of sorts to have a nice trunk gun - a Kel Tec Sub2000. Once I find one, at least :rolleyes:

it means I can keep the KT S2000 loaded in my car, and do not need to abide by rifle laws that would dictate it be unloaded and or cased/locked.
 

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pistol griped shotguns need to be reg as a pistol
18.5 inch barrel
Is that federal or some state law? As far as the feds are concerned, there's no such thing as a smooth-bore pistol. Pistol grip or not. If it's smooth-bore , it's a shotgun. Well.....not exactly. Also depends on if it ever had a stock.

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If it EVER had a stock on it, and it's smoothbore, it's a shotgun. If OAL is less than 26" OR barrel length is less than 18", it's a SBS.

If it NEVER had a stock on it (like the Mossberg 500 PGO guns that come from the factory with no stock) it's not a shotgun, it's an "other" same as a stripped receiver.
If barrel length is less than 18" AND OAL is less than 26" it's an AOW.
If Barrel length is less than 18" BUT OAL is over 26" it's not an NFA gun, still just an "other".

That's what makes this non-NFA 14" Mossberg possible:
shockwavetechnologies.com » The 14? Mossberg 500 That ISN?T NFA!

This is all of course just fed law. States may have other laws regarding this.
The funny thing is, when I read NYS and even NYC (one of the worst places in the nation as far as allowing you to own cool guns)law. I could not find anything there that treated this gun any different than the feds do. So you could go and build yourself a 14" Mossberg in NYC and it will be just as legal as your grandaddy's hunting gun. :eek: AMAZING! I thought, this being NYC and all, there HAS to be something prohibiting it. But nope.

This was before the SAFE Act though. Haven't followed all the details about what that disaster caused so things MAY have changed now.
 

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^^^nailed it. My old 500 was bought - and came form the factory - with a PGO (yep was young and stupid way back then, now just not as young). After three shots, the PGO came off and a regular OEM stock was put on. Since that was done it can no longer be an "other" - this is all from a Fed view; some states have a different view

Guns like the Serbu start off as an AOW and are a $5 tax stamp
 
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