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I plan on buying one. One of the local gun shops here sells them for $500. The only thing is its a good idea to get the conversion done which will add on another 300 or so on top. By the time ur done with that and doing whatever else you want to it you are over a grand. That's the only reason I havn't pulled the trigger yet.
 

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I have one. If I were you I would look hard for a really cheap one, because you will spend a lot of money on accessories (stocks, forearms, 25 round drums, muzzle attachments.)

I really like mine, but it isn't exactly a firearm you buy for a practical purpose other than to draw a lot of attention to yourself. It's just generally fun to have it, though.

For what purpose do you want to use it?
 

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I have one. If I were you I would look hard for a really cheap one, because you will spend a lot of money on accessories (stocks, forearms, 25 round drums, muzzle attachments.)

I really like mine, but it isn't exactly a firearm you buy for a practical purpose other than to draw a lot of attention to yourself. It's just generally fun to have it, though.

For what purpose do you want to use it?
Just to waist some 12ga rounds... I do all my own reloads so I just need to blast some..!
 

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Just to waist some 12ga rounds... I do all my own reloads so I just need to blast some..!
Then you won't be disappointed. I recommend the MD20 drum mag. It's a pain in the ass to load, but you will burn through your reloads in a big f#cking hurry. Only reason I haven't is the two-shell limit at my club.

Here are pics of mine:





All black guns are hard to photograph. I have more pics, but I was too lazy to upload them.
 

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Here is my russian mail order bride..........Slutvana.
Wicked fun to shoot, ditto on the suggestion of prepping for the accessories. I also suggest you learn as much as you can about them prior to buying one, as the quality control in Russia is somewhat lacking and many people unknowingly purchase what are called Vodka specials, which are really crappy made almost non-functional weapons that need a lot of work to become reliable. Just read as much as possible.

Other than that, it is a sick gun when it works.

 

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Then you won't be disappointed. I recommend the MD20 drum mag. It's a pain in the ass to load, but you will burn through your reloads in a big f#cking hurry. Only reason I haven't is the two-shell limit at my club.

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All black guns are hard to photograph. I have more pics, but I was too lazy to upload them.
What is the rear stock you have on it? That is the only thing I would like done is the get the pistol grip and adj stock...

All of these posted on this thread look great!
 

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Saiga12.com, everything ya wanna know about the S12 and every other Saiga.

I've converted both my S12 and S-7.62x39.
If you have good aptitude for DIY, a Dremel and a few hand tools, any basic conversion is a snap.

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Left to Right, Saigas 7.62x39, 12g & .308-ver.21

 

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I love mine.

Converted saiga, Ace Folding stock, Ergo pistol grip, hand guard with rail, cut barrel with perm attached door breacher, Md arms vplug, and total rework of the gas system.

I had mine done by Arizona Armory.

This is by far my most favorite gun in my collection i am thinking of buying a converted 24in one for skeet shooting lol.

I would say its only downfall is that i can do 20 round drum dumps in a few seconds and she can get a tad expensive to feed lol.










 

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Nice S-12's guys!!! Am starting to look at them myself.

Question... I have heard rumor that when 12ga shells are left in the mag (either drum or straight), the shells deform and end up causing failures.

Any truth to that... or any experience with it or otherwise? If the shells deformed and I couldn't trust them to go "bang" when needed, I may as well go for a pump.

Thanks!!
 

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There is some truth to the deformation of shells when a full mag is left in the gun on a closed bolt. The issue has to due with the soft nature of the plastic shotgun shells and the rather bulky bolt.

There are some things that can be done if you want to keep a loaded mag in the gun. You can keep a slug round in the top of the mag so that the bolt is pressing on a solid object instead of pressing on a buck shot round which is not as firm as a slug. A lot of guys contour their bolts so that they don't really press on the shell. Most saiga 12s will be incredibly difficult if not impossible to load a full mag on a closed bolt, so a little work on the bolt can solve those two problems.

You could also keep a loaded mag in the gun with the bolt open.
 

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So here is my opinion on the saiga as far as HD goes.

Is if my favorite gun.. Hell yes.. would i risk my life on it hell no.. "not yet"

I have shot a few hundred rounds though it and i still get some odd stuff from time to time.. I think after a little more ware and tear maybe.

end of day anything semi will and could have more things wrong with it.. My remmy 870 shoots 100 percent of the time every time with 0 issues.

If you ever need a gun for HD the racking of the slide would likely be enough to scare most people away.

Also if you have a pump it forces you to think about what you are doing and where you are aiming and could possibility save a life as in your other family members in the house.

During a high stress / adrenaline situation it would be easy to crank off all your rounds in a Saiga and the damage would be devastating to anyone and anything in the blast radius... "trust me"

Just something to think about.

as far as the bolt.. in any Russian class of gun i have a custom hold bolt open cut into the safety lever.





 
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