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First off I know nothing about the saiga with that being said, I have a mossy 500 tac, browning A5, Rem 870. I have been pondering another scatter gun just a toy. Someone told me to check into the saiga. With a 50 round drum would be good for the upcoming Zombie invasion. Anyways what does it mean when they say converted? The price jumps alot when this word is included?
 

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these guys are in Atlanta GA at a place called Moss Pawn. last I heard they had converted Saiga 12's for around 1000. I think prices have gone up on them though.
 

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I converted my own saiga 12. Took me roughly 2 hours to get everything cut drilled, installed an ready to rock.

Converting returns the gun to its original AK style formation. The biggest change is that the trigger is moved forward. But as most Saiga guys will tell you, they don't just stop at the trigger. The stock is upgraded, the internals polished, gas system overhaul, etc.
 

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Though I would love to shoot two rounds of Trap without having to reload, the largest magazine available (at least that doesn't cost almost as much as buying another shotgun) holds 20. Wraithmakers hold up to 30, but they're almost 400 dollars. Anyway.........

Shruggerxd sort of explained it. In order for the Saiga shotgun to be imported, Izhmash had to make it into a "sporting" gun that didn't have a pistol grip. So they added a linkage to the trigger mechanism, moved the trigger group to the rear of the receiver (like a backwards bullpup,) and slapped on a Monte Carlo stock. Now, if you want a pistol grip for your Saiga, you can do two things. The first is to get an external receiver block that attaches the pistol grip to the rear of the gun without moving the trigger group forward. This is what a Saiga Shotgun looks like with a pistol grip, but without the trigger group moved forward:



The other option is to do a pistol grip conversion, where you drill out two pins, grind off three rivets, remove the stock trigger guard, throw out the trigger and most of the internals, and install a new trigger guard and trigger. This moves the trigger group forward, and allows a pistol grip to be attached beneath the receiver instead of behind it. This is what a Saiga shotgun looks like after a pistol grip conversion:



Converted Saigas have much better triggers, the whole package is more compact, and is a lot better balanced.

Do yourself a favor. If you want a pistol grip, do the conversion. You will ultimately save a lot of money on furniture for an unconverted Saiga, because you will ultimately decide to convert it anyway.
 

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Stock, imported sport configuration.
S12

7.62x39


Converted, trigger moved forward and pistol grip added, is 'THE' conversion, everything else is icing on the cake.
S12

7.62x39
 

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here is a pic or two of mine.

I had mine professionally done.

If i was not going to turn my 3rd into a sbr i would do the conversion myself looks easy enough.



 

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Converting The Saiga 12 Is Fun And Easy

Buy your own Saiga 12 19" bbl and don't be afraid to convert your own. For more fun and games, also consider cutting the barrel back to about 15" or sosss. All NFA rules apply.

Especially fun is the 20 round drum. One can literally cut down a 8" tree in less than 30 seconds. Don't ask me how I know this. With gas mods you can shoot all loads. HB of CJ (old coot)
 

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If at all possible, before buying, remove the gas plug and check how many gas holes are present and if they're clear.
A dental tool, or a big, bent paperclip works great for this.
On the 19' there should be either three or four holes, some may be partially hidden from view, hence the use of a pick.
Before converting, conversion voids warranty, in order to maintain your warranty, test fire it with bot high and low brass, give a good breaking in on the first day, e.g. 100+ high brass 00 & slug.
Quite literally, shoot the crud outta it! :twisted: You're smoothing out all the little burs, rough edges and excess/over spray of paint and etc.
You want to know if there are any 'real' problems before conversion.

One thing to keep in mind.
These were not designed for low brass target loads, these are real Russian military beasts designed to use the hot-n-heavy stuff.
 

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@ Chile

Yes they were done professionally.

Long and short when he ceracoated the gun he forgot to do the plugs.

Instead of dong a special batch for the plugs i had him wait till i was getting my SBR ceracoated..

They are all plugged up now and it looks great i just have not updated the pics since then.
 

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When i had my conversions done i had the gas ports opened up a little.

I wanted to shoot the cheap stuff out of the md arms 20 drums.

I know mileage will vary but while the gun was apart i figured why not.

Past opening up the ports CSS sell's a low brass spring, md arms has the vplug and a booster piston and all of em work wonders.

This video was taken the day after i took my OD green saiga home from the shop. Vplug installed ports opened up a tad.

 

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Saiga 12 19" bbl's usually have 3 ports

Or soosss I was told. Mine does. Also get the four (4) position gas regular and the three (3) different pucks. OEM op spring.

Mine shoots the cheap, weak WW ammo fine; even with the 15" bbl. Still need the HD op rod though. All NFA rules apply.

The 12 way adjustable gas system also lets me cut the gas way down to softly shoot the HD max 3" buckshot loads. HB of CJ
 

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There are drop-in products on the market now that will allow the Saiga Shotguns to shoot all kinds of ammo, hot and soft, without modifying the gas system.

I have a MD Arms V-Plug, which replaces the gas regulator and gives you more 5 gas settings instead of the original two.

Here's me running a 20-round drum with my reloads (two jams, though; not the gun's fault):


The conversion itself isn't hard, and there are plenty of videos online for reference.
 
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