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Howdy,

I am getting to make my final purchase "for now" of a shotgun and i got it narrowed down to a pump action mossburg or a saiga-12 conversion.

I just bought a Lancaster AK a few weeks ago and just had a trigger issue with it.. Took it down to the factory and they fixed it with no issues.. So i pretty much decided i would buy a converted Saiga-12 from them.. After doing some research i see Lancaster has some issues with Quality control issues with the AK-74 RR edition.

So at this point should I be gun shy getting a converted Saiga-12 from Lancaster or go elsewhere?

Should i even be looking at a saiga-12 or go with a standard pump mossburg ?

I will admit the the idea of a 20rd mag is nice.

Just looking for your input "yes i also know there are a few threads on first shot gun to get but nothing seemed to answer my question.

Thanks again.
 

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You are talking about two very very different guns.

Saiga's are a lot of fun but they can be expensive especially in good mags. If you do want a mag fed shotgun then a Saiga is perfect. If you are mechanically inclined you can do the conversion yourself. It'll be a lot cheaper and you will learn how your guns works.

Now a Mossberg pump is nice if you want something that can be modded out like nobody's business. You can make it into your own and have it be less than a Saiga. If you are dead set on a semi-auto I would look into the Mossberg 930SPX's. Those are nice.

I've played around with my cousin-in-law's converted Saiga and I have my own Mossberg 590SP. The only real thing they both have in common is that they both shoot 12ga, that's it. You should see if you can get your hands on both to try out and make the decision yourself. It sucks but that's really the only way unless you can buy both. Good luck!
 

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You are talking about two very very different guns.

Saiga's are a lot of fun but they can be expensive especially in good mags. If you do want a mag fed shotgun then a Saiga is perfect. If you are mechanically inclined you can do the conversion yourself. It'll be a lot cheaper and you will learn how your guns works.

Now a Mossberg pump is nice if you want something that can be modded out like nobody's business. You can make it into your own and have it be less than a Saiga. If you are dead set on a semi-auto I would look into the Mossberg 930SPX's. Those are nice.

I've played around with my cousin-in-law's converted Saiga and I have my own Mossberg 590SP. The only real thing they both have in common is that they both shoot 12ga, that's it. You should see if you can get your hands on both to try out and make the decision yourself. It sucks but that's really the only way unless you can buy both. Good luck!
pretty much as i was goin to say. it also depends on what you are wanting to do with this shotgun?
 

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I agre with both of the above. It really depends on what you want to use it for. The best all around shotgun I have is my Mossberg 500, 5 shot. With the long barrel with screw in chokes I can hunt with it and with the 18.5 cylinder choke barrel I use it for a defence gun. Others on here do the same thing with other types of shotguns.
 

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In this shotgun l have home defence in mind.
As far as the moss and saiga go they have the features I am looking for.
pistol grip adjustable stock etc. Its down to pump between shots or semi auto.

Now I shot a moss over the weekend and it was pretty good. My friends back home love their saigas and swear by them. I like the idea of the gas system and larger mags. I am a Tad more worried about Lancaster doing the conversion after I trolled the forums even though my recent experience has been overall positive with my AK.

I am trying to find someone who has one I can try out or rent one at another range I have access to out here.

So in the mean time I wanted to see what people though.

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Ever thought about converting it yourself? I did mine about a month ago, and it was ridiculously easy.
Is there a tutorial on the conversion differences between a 12 Ga and a rifle-caliber Saiga? I converted my Saiga in 7.62 and would consider doing a 12 Ga as well.

To the OP, I would always recommend a pump shotgun over something like a Saiga. Sure, Saigas are fun for range time, competition, or large scale rioting, but if you can't do it in 7 or 8 rounds of 12 Ga buck, 20 rounds probably won't do any better. I'd also rather show up in court to defend my use of a Mossberg pump, rather than my use of a 12-ga AK-47. And even with an AK-based action, I personally believe a pump action is less prone to stoppages and jams than a semi-auto. Your mileage may vary.
 

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..... but if you can't do it in 7 or 8 rounds of 12 Ga buck, 20 rounds probably won't do any better.
I guess all of those polymer semi-auto handguns with 13 ~ 19 round mags aren't really all the necessary either. Folks should have stuck with the single stack 1911 with 7 rounds. ;)

1st rule of a gun fight....you can never have enough ammo.
2nd rule....you can never have enough friends with guns and more ammo.
 

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I guess all of those polymer semi-auto handguns with 13 ~ 19 round mags aren't really all the necessary either. Folks should have stuck with the single stack 1911 with 7 rounds. ;) .
No, I would definitely not feel undergunned with a 1911 gov't full of hollowpoints. I carry one often in the winter. If someone is so inept that they feel they can't defend house and home with a 12 Ga pump, more training is in order.
 

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Is there a tutorial on the conversion differences between a 12 Ga and a rifle-caliber Saiga? I converted my Saiga in 7.62 and would consider doing a 12 Ga as well.
The shotty should be easier than a rifle conversion. No need to fashion a bullet guide. The basic conversion process is the same except for that. In fact I used a rifle conversion tutorial to do my S-12, and S-20, AND S-410!
 

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one thing to think about - if you`re going to put a pistol grip on the mossberg the saftey is a little hard to reach. Other than that - mossbergs are great guns - I have the 930.
 
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