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Man this shooting hobbies of mine has taken off. I'm really enjoying heading to the range to practice. And thanks to what Ive learned here and at my local gun shops I feel I'm becoming a more confident and safe shooter.

So now that im getting "ok" and pistol, i think it might be time to save for a rifle or a shotty. I was looking at the mossberg 500 series, great home defense, but not as fun at the range for general shooting for pleasure.

Then my local gun dealer, the one I bought my XD from suggested i look at one of these. Kel Tec


Caliber : .223 Rem 5.56mm
Weight unloaded : 4.7lbs.2.1kg
Length : 35.9"912.0mm
Length Folded : 24.9"632.7mm
Barrel Length : 16.0"406.4mm
Magazin Capacity : 10 rounds, or M-16 compatible
Twist : 1:9"1:228.6mm
Trigger Pull : 5lbs to 7lbs 22.2N to 31.1N
Sight Radius : 15.5"393.7mm

He reffered to it as a good into, or a poor mans AR. Takes magazines from any AR-15 according to one source. Anyone here have any experience with this compact folding rifle? It seems like a good buy for ~700ish. But as ive stated before, i am a novice, so feel free to input.

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depends what you want more.. if your just looking for a shotty to sit in a corner somewhere till the need arises, then you can get a cheaper mosberg Mav 88 and save some coin.. if your going to want to get into clay shooting, then you will want one that allows the use of different chokes (which will come in handy if you want to duck hunt). if thats your preference, then keep in mind tactical/HD shottys dont usually accept chokes.

.223 is a good plinker, keep in mind the ammo rush is still going strong, and buying just to plink at the range can be difficult in some areas... like mine. i notice alot of 30.06 and .270 on the shelves though, and those would make good for target practice, and you can actually buy ammo for them.

all in all it boils down to preference really.. which do you really want now, either would make a fine addition to a growing collection.. but myself.. i'd go shotty next.. everyone should have a good shotty on hand, with some buck shot you have another HD option, with slugs you can reach out for distance up to 100 yards at the range.

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i have the kel tec and absolutely love it... there are tons of aftermarket stuff for them and yes they do accept M/AR mags... shotgun is great for home defense, i have a mossy 500 tac, and its a great shotty for HD but not much fun otherwise.. the kel tec is fun and accurate
 

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i have the kel tec and absolutely love it... there are tons of aftermarket stuff for them and yes they do accept M/AR mags... shotgun is great for home defense, i have a mossy 500 tac, and its a great shotty for HD but not much fun otherwise.. the kel tec is fun and accurate
I shot one at my sister-in-law's range in Atlanta and it was fun. The price wasn't bad either. :p
 

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Honestly 700 for a .223. You can buy a Savage bolt action for $350-400 an Gander Mountain. Yes I know it's a bolt action, but still they are fun. As for a shotgun. Buy a Mossberg with a 28" ported barrel. It can be used for hunting, or shooting pidgens. Then buy a Mossberg 18.5" barrel for home defense. That way you have two barrels, and you have a multi-purpose shotgun. You do not need a mall ninja tachtical shotgun to protect yourself.
 

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for 700 I would just build and AR. If you want a shotty find a used Mossberg 500 and then you can spend 60 bucks and get a pistol grip with adjustable stock. I paid like 250 for mine new and it came with two barrels one for hunting and an 18.5 for HD.
 

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for 700 I would just build and AR.
Good luck finding everything at good prices and without waiting...

If you want something to burn up (hard to find expensive ammo) then buy the KT rifle. If you want a HD setup go with the shotty. Tho im a Remington 870 guy myself. If you want both...buy both! I'd say just do that anyway. You need them
 

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Right now, with ammo supply being what it is, go with shotty and try shooting sporting clays. Shells for shotguns are a lot easier to find than rifle ammo. And shooting at a moving clay target is a lot of fun. If you are concern that you may not get a Kel Tec in the future than get the rifle.
 

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I picked up a 12ga Hawk 982 for the house.



I figure that simple is good, 12ga is big enough and I don't need anything "Taticial" to get the job done for home defense. For my use, its going to sit in the bedroom as an insurance policy. I don't need anything tricked out and IMHO ... practice with what you own. So maybe it's not the best answer to you question as it's not a hobby gun.
 

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keltec is fun from what I've seen, but I'm not sure 700 is a good price.. hang on looking I was right, but of course I have very little to no aversionn to buying used. WTS: KelTec SU16A Fallbrook/temecula area - Calguns.net so they can be had for cheaper but not new... I misspoke RiverOfGuns.com if you want to find it used.

So yeah good price.

If you want a fun gun, thats it. Go for it.

If you want a shotgun do you have any interest in trap or just combat/fun/homedefense? If the answer is no get a 18.5 barrel mossberg 500/maverick 88 and a fold over ATI stock, or a knox recoil stock, I don't like the ATI 6 positions they are flimsy and have a rib at the end of the stock so if you choose a proper cheek weld your getting hit by it....

If you have interest in trap/skeet remington 870 is the way to go.
 

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dont forget the saiga .223 ak.

i have one its pretty decent for $319



with a small filing with a dremmel you take off a tiny raised lip on 35 rd galil mags and your good to go when you make necessary 922 mods, to keep it legal.

i bought some used orlite galil mags, israeli surplus for $8 used, then new ones for i think it was $13.

its sweet i love it.

best value, its an amazing gun for $319.

I just wish i had learned of saiga line of aks about 3 years ago, heck even last year i wish i had bought one of each.

i have a 16" barrel, .308 saiga on my bookmarks for sale for $299.

now they are well into the high $500, low six.

Thats kel tec looks kinda neat, but i only have 8 mags x $8 = $64
and 5 mags X$13= $65 into my rifle thus far.

13 mags for $129

all military surplus not cheapo jam o matic junk.

$319 +129= $448

now you save $250 over the keltec, and you would have 13 dedicated mags, not cutting into your AR15 mags.
 

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Good luck finding everything at good prices and without waiting...

If you want something to burn up (hard to find expensive ammo) then buy the KT rifle. If you want a HD setup go with the shotty. Tho im a Remington 870 guy myself. If you want both...buy both! I'd say just do that anyway. You need them
Aye, i intend to get both eventually, just gotta decide. Ill see what prices are. Ima bone head, just messed a moss berg 550 for $399.........
 

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Is the .223 Keltec the same as 5.56 NATO? I've heard that the increased pressure of 5.56 is not good for .223's and .223's may not shoot as accurately in 5.56 rifles :confused:

For the OP, I'd say the rifle is missing one thing... that sound of a shotgun cocking sends fecal matter into the pants of intruders.
 

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Is the .223 Keltec the same as 5.56 NATO? I've heard that the increased pressure of 5.56 is not good for .223's and .223's may not shoot as accurately in 5.56 rifles :confused:
Yes, using 5.56 rounds is possible i beleive, but its not tuned for it, so if you HAVE to you can, but its best to use .223. They are basically the same round.

For the OP, I'd say the rifle is missing one thing... that sound of a shotgun cocking sends fecal matter into the pants of non-intoxicated BG's.
I heard a story once in regards to this. I like to think its true, but who knows.

Old woman calls the local police, states.
" i have two young hoodlums at gun point and i need a sheriff here now."
Small town, so officers are there in a manner of 4-5 minutes.
Officer pulls up to see the old woman marching out 2 young teenagers with her shotgun.
Officers instruct her to lay it down and back away.
She laughs and states, "Oh this old thing? Its not even loaded" places it on the porch and sits on a chair a few feet away.

The suspects are stunned, and the officers had a good laugh. Apparently the sound of her coking the shotgun caused them to give up right away.
 
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