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Ok, total shotty newb here.

Found a deal on a remmy 870 for 400.00

All black, with a blackhawk hand guard, adjustable stock/pistol grip (can't remember the name, starts with a "c"), and a mounted remington scope (no I didn't see what size). Has a slug barrel (20 or 22")

Now for my questions....

Is shooting buck and bird shot through a slug barrel ok?

Is it possible to safely have the barrel cut and crowned to 18"? And what about threaded for a choke?

And lastly...is this a decent price? Gun looks clean with little or no wear in the action. Follower is not rubbed or scratched, and the bore looks nice as it is not fouled or scratched. Compared to a new barrel, it looks new.

I put a 5 day hold on it, and think its a good deal...what say you?
 

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as for shooting shot through the barrel, you can do it but your patterns will not be good. the rifling will spin the shot column causing it the spread into a large uneven pattern.

you can have the barrel shortened but will probably cost you about $100 or so

what is the intended use of this gun? this is important as to if it is a good deal or not.

if you want just a shotgun to shoot shot through then i would buy a gun that is already set up with a smooth bore barrel that is already at 18.5"
 

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Intended use? I just want a shotgun...lol

I have been looking to do a 870 with pistolgrip and stock for home defense, then this came along and seemed resonable.

If I where to put 00 buck in it for HD, how much worse would the patterns get? 25ft is more distance than I would ever fire with buck shot.

If I could take it bird hunting, it would be just a bonus. Hence the reason for asking about a choke.

Maybe it would be best to go for this deal and keep it for HD and then get a smooth bore, choked barrel if I ever pick up bird hunting.

Would threading and choking a rifled barrel bring my brid shot patterns back in? Or is this just a stupid no brain thought that you can laugh at me about.

Thanks

Signed -the idiot...lol
 

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for HD the shot pattern wont really matter as if you have to shoot a BG its most likely going to be within a couple of yards of them. just point and click.
 

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Ok, total shotty newb here.

Found a deal on a remmy 870 for 400.00

All black, with a blackhawk hand guard, adjustable stock/pistol grip (can't remember the name, starts with a "c"), and a mounted remington scope (no I didn't see what size). Has a slug barrel (20 or 22")

Now for my questions....

Is shooting buck and bird shot through a slug barrel ok?

Is it possible to safely have the barrel cut and crowned to 18"? And what about threaded for a choke?

And lastly...is this a decent price? Gun looks clean with little or no wear in the action. Follower is not rubbed or scratched, and the bore looks nice as it is not fouled or scratched. Compared to a new barrel, it looks new.

I put a 5 day hold on it, and think its a good deal...what say you?
your slug barrel is rifled? It can have iron sites and still be a smoothbore.

Rifled is for sabots,,

Price is right if thats what you want.
 

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I found that choosing a shotgun is just like choosing a handgun. It's a personal choice. I did a lot of research of shotguns and "looked" for a long time before I bought my first one recently. I plan to use it for HD and hope to get into some small game hunting (not a "city boy", just never got into it).

You will no doubt be receiving better advice from the experts, and more than I can give but this is what I discovered.

I chose a Mossberg 500. I found a package that offered two barrels, an 18" and a 26".

Because it's mostly used for HD I chose a 20 gauge. I'm also old enough to not enjoy getting slammed around by a 12gauge and my wife wouldn't be afraid to use it. It's still good enough for small game. A 20 gauge has 75% of the power a 12 gauge has.

I learned that bird shot makes a poor defensive round, but better than a rock.

My gun is smooth bore so I keep some rifled slugs around just for the hell of it. I don't see the need for a rifled barrel.

I don't know why one needs a choke on an 18" barrel.

I was discouraged from getting a pistol grip stock. I was told that it is harder to control and aim.

Have fun! It is amazing, the splat you get from a large piece of fruit hit by this ammo.
 

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xdmp22:

I found that choosing a shotgun is just like choosing a handgun. It's a personal choice. I did a lot of research of shotguns and "looked" for a long time before I bought my first one recently. I plan to use it for HD and hope to get into some small game hunting (not a "city boy", just never got into it).

You will no doubt be receiving better advice from the experts, and more than I can give but this is what I discovered.

I chose a Mossberg 500. I found a package that offered two barrels, an 18" and a 26".

Because it's mostly used for HD I chose a 20 gauge. I'm also old enough to not enjoy getting slammed around by a 12gauge and my wife wouldn't be afraid to use it. It's still good enough for small game. A 20 gauge has 75% of the power a 12 gauge has.

I learned that bird shot makes a poor defensive round, but better than a rock.

My gun is smooth bore so I keep some rifled slugs around just for the hell of it. I don't see the need for a rifled barrel.

I don't know why one needs a choke on an 18" barrel.

I was discouraged from getting a pistol grip stock. I was told that it is harder to control and aim.

Have fun! It is amazing, the splat you get from a large piece of fruit hit by this ammo.
agreed, though i will take my 12 guage

as far as choking it, i was thinking of either cut/crown to 18, or threading the 22 as is for a choke, if possible and a smart idea

fruit? what fruit?

At places like Impact Guns, for 400-450, you should be able to pick up the kit that comes with two barrels, one for shot, and a rifled slug barrel. That's what i have. Then you can use it for home defense, bird hunting, trap, clay pigeons, and deer hunting.

Remington 870 Express Combo 20GA, 26" (Standard) and 20" (Rifled) Barrels, Wood Stock-CLOSEOUT
good, deal but id still have to spend another few 100 on a scope and new furniture

this deal is looking better and better the more i think about it.

not ideal but definitely a good deal for me i think
 

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your slug barrel is rifled? It can have iron sites and still be a smoothbore.

Rifled is for sabots,,

Price is right if thats what you want.
slug barrel is rifled, i looked down it myself after checking the chamber 3 times and still didnt like looking down it (even with a trigger lock)

thanks, seems like a good price
 

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For what you will spend getting the barrel cut and threaded, you can get a replacement barrel that will accept CTs. You can get a 18" cylinder bore barrel made by Mossberg for the 870 for just over $100.

I would not shoot shot shells through the rifled bore. Not that it will hurt the barrel, I just don't want to clean all that plastic from the rifling.
 

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For what you will spend getting the barrel cut and threaded, you can get a replacement barrel that will accept CTs. You can get a 18" cylinder bore barrel made by Mossberg for the 870 for just over $100.

I would not shoot shot shells through the rifled bore. Not that it will hurt the barrel, I just don't want to clean all that plastic from the rifling.
Yeah, I just picked up a midway catalog and found that...120 give or take depeding on sights

Didn't think about the plastic, thanks for the heads up!
 

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Any shotgun is a good shotgun, I love my xdm9, but if icould choose one, its my 870. Mossy's are nice to.

My 870 has the 18" barrel, I take it skeet shooting all the time, you can really get on em quick. Shot 28 out of 30 last week, then dopped in a slug and hit a gallon can at about 150 yrds.

shotguns are a blast!
 

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For a good example of buckshot through a rifled barrel, here you go.

The Box O' Truth #43 - Buckshot in a Rifled Shotgun Barrel - Page 1

At just 5 yds you will have about an 18" donut shaped pattern.

Here's slug info.

The Box O' Truth #46 - Shotgun Slugs, Sabots, and Smooth Bore Barrels - Page 1

This means that rifled barrels are for sabot slugs and smooth bores are for rifled slugs and shot.

Now, for the Mossberg vs Remington debate. The main difference that most people get to eventually is the location of the safety. With a standard stock, both are fine, but the Mossberg has the advantage since it is on the top and easily hit with the thumb.

With a pistol grip the advantage goes to the Remington since the safety is easily accessible with the trigger finger but the Mossberg requires moving the whole hand to activate the safety.

Beyond that, both are very good and it's basically up to personal opinion.

My opinion is to go with the Remington 870 with a standard stock. I see no advantage to a pistol grip unless you plan on having a folding or collapsible stock for space saving reasons.
 

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For a good example of buckshot through a rifled barrel, here you go.

The Box O' Truth #43 - Buckshot in a Rifled Shotgun Barrel - Page 1

At just 5 yds you will have about an 18" donut shaped pattern.

Here's slug info.

The Box O' Truth #46 - Shotgun Slugs, Sabots, and Smooth Bore Barrels - Page 1

This means that rifled barrels are for sabot slugs and smooth bores are for rifled slugs and shot.

Now, for the Mossberg vs Remington debate. The main difference that most people get to eventually is the location of the safety. With a standard stock, both are fine, but the Mossberg has the advantage since it is on the top and easily hit with the thumb.

With a pistol grip the advantage goes to the Remington since the safety is easily accessible with the trigger finger but the Mossberg requires moving the whole hand to activate the safety.

Beyond that, both are very good and it's basically up to personal opinion.

My opinion is to go with the Remington 870 with a standard stock. I see no advantage to a pistol grip unless you plan on having a folding or collapsible stock for space saving reasons.
thanks for the links, i didnt think about checking box of truth

space savings is good, i think i just mostly have a touch of mall ninja tacticool disease when it comes to the adjustable stock. I do love pistol grips though.

as stated the 870 safety seems better for my preferences as far a safety location, plus the 870's seem to be built a little better, that said if there was a smokin deal on a mossy with the same setup i would buy it instead, either would be fine, but when given the choice and a deal comes by, its 870 for me
 
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