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Shot my first 12gauge. Now I want one. Best deal. Best gun. Best whatever. It will be home defense and range play slash fun gun. I'm eyeballing rem 870 or the moss 500. Maybe 887. Looking to spend $400 out the door. Witch is easier and cheaper to mod? What size. 3 inch or smaller ? Most capacity? May do a bullpup.


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There's no right answer here.

Both mossberg, and remington offer excellent pump action shotguns. I own both, and have them setup for different purposes.

If I was going to do a budget build, I'd look for a maveric 88 (safety is in a better spot than the 500) and mod it the way I want it. The 88 also has a long mag tube, but only shoots 2-3/4" shells.

If I had unlimited funds, it would be an 870, steel receiver, good location of the safety and action release with a pistol grip buttstock. 870s can have mag tube extensions, where mossberg requires a barrel/mag tube change to get higher capacities.

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i have a moss mav 88 and its been flawless so far. its the budget version of the 500 but it gives you more room to buy new mods for it and such depending on what you want to do with it.
 

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i love my 500. i think the 870 and the 500 are very similar to each other. both have a tremendous amount of aftermarket support for mods and parts and tacticool accessories. magpul just started offering aftermarket stuff for the 870 and it looks pretty cool, i hope they do the same for the 500.

i would shop around and see what you can find, there are deals to be had. i found my 500 at big 5 for $300 with both the 18.5" and 26"/28" (can't remember) barrels. it was pretty much getting a free barrel and now i'm set for HD and bird hunting (which i hope to get into soon).
 

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I have an 870 and love it.

I bought a 18.5" barrel and 2 round extension for it, but have otherwise left it alone. The only thing you have to do on newer 870s to get the extension to work is remove the stupid dimples they put at the end of the magazine tube to hold the magazine spring retainer in place.

With that done, you can do this.

 

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Very happy with my Maverick 88, and you can shoot 3" in it. I am in to the entire thing for under $400 including a magazine tube mini rail, light/laser combo and the collapsible/folding stock.
 

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I would definitely go for the 870 for a pump gun, especially if you want to mod it. I had a 500 defense gun I put a pistol grip on and the safety location is in a terrible location for it. I also had troubles cyclying slugs through the 500. Can't say anything about the Mav but if it doesn't do 3 inch shells I'd stay away
 

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The maverick 88 does shoot 3" shells. I've owned one for a long time now. I also owned an 870. Notice i said owned. They are great guns, but mine got to where it wouldn't pump shells from the tube into the chamber. Never heard of anyone else having that problem though. If you are looking for cheap and reliable you can't beat mossverg in my opinion. I own a 20 gauge pump, maverick 88, and a 930 auto loader and they have all performed flawlessly.
 

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Both the 870 and 500 are outstanding pump guns, you honestly can't go wrong with either of them! Both are very affordable, reliable, durable, will have more than enough capacity for your needs (as long as you choose the right model) and have plenty of accessories available.

Having said that, and fired both guns over the years, I personally prefer the Mossbergs, mostly because of the safety location. I'm a lefty, and the cross bolt safeties on 870s are less ergonomic for me to use. I also like how you don't have to push the shells past a loading gate to get them into the tube on the Mossberg guns; just drop them in and push. I also prefer the location of the slide release on the 500 as well.

Now in full disclosure I have a Remington 1100 (which I love!) and it has a cross-bolt safety and a loading gate I have to push the shells past and I can run that gun no problem. But when talking strictly Remington 870 vs. Mossberg 500 I prefer Mossberg.

The first shotgun I ever hunted was a Mossberg 500 20 GA. I took many squirrels with it as a kid. My brother today has 2 500s, one in wood stock with a bird barrel and the other in synthetic stock, a slug barrel and a scope for deer hunting and he's had great success with both.

Like I said at the beginning though, you honestly can't go wrong with either the Remington OR the Mossberg. It really just comes down to personal preference. Whichever one you go with, I'd recommend getting one with a 18.5 or 20" barrel for Home Defense, and buy a second barrel of either 26 or 28" for skeet/trap shooting or bird hunting.

As for shell size I say stick with 2.75" shells. I've said it many times on this forum that IMHO 3" shells are overrated and over-hyped by gun and ammo makers. I've hunted literally everything from squirrel to whitetails with my Remington 1100 12 Ga. (which is 2.75" only) and have never found anything I couldn't kill with it because I didn't have 3" shells. My brother tried using 3" for awhile but after finding out about the considerably higher cost and recoil (especially in a pump) he promptly went back to 2.75". Whether hunting game or defending yourself, accuracy and shot placement count for much more than the size/power of the round your using. A 2.75" shell you can shoot accurately and actually hit the target with will be far more effective than a 3" one you can control or shoot well. All the added power of a 3" shell (which isn't that dramatic an increase IMHO) will be worthless if you miss, and yes, you can miss with a shotgun at very close ranges. I've seen it happen! Even for defensive use, good 2.75" buckshot of whatever size you want (#4, 2, 00 etc.) will be more than adequate for home defense, especially when you consider the close distances you probably be shooting within your home and the fact that at those close ranges, say 3-5 yards or less, the pattern will still be relatively small, probably not much bigger than the size of your hand.

Personally I'm not too keen on bullpup shotguns. I say keep it simple and get a gun like the 870 or 500. They're so proven, simple and intuitive for almost anyone to use. No need to reinvent the wheel, especially given how many millions of each have been sold over the past few decades and how many LEOs and military units have depended on them and used them with great success.

Hope that helps.
 

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I would personally go with the 870. I have shot thousands upon thousands of rounds through mine and have never replaced a single thing an have never had a problem that was due to the gun. Had a couple of shells that wouldn't cycle, but thy was with cheap Winchester Ammo. I bought this gun at age 12. I am currently 24 and am confident that this gun will outlast me.
 

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Never really been a fan of Mossbergs, I think it's the pos of the safety, I like them in the trigger guards.

Saying that, I have a few pumps, an 18" 870 for HD, and a 28" nova (3.5" capable) for the bigger 4 legged creatures that roam........ The Nova doesn't have much you can do to it, but I prefer it cause I like the "shell stop" button on it. I keep it loaded with a 3.5" magnum buck in the chamber, then 3" slug, 3" buck, 3" slug, 3" buck. If there's a raccoon or an opossum getting after the cat, 3.5" is way too much and I'll hit the shell stop, get it out, and put a #4 or #6 in and it won't cycle any shells out of the tube. Pretty nice feature. Would take a lot longer to do on the 870 as well as turning it upside down.
 

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i love my 500. i think the 870 and the 500 are very similar to each other. both have a tremendous amount of aftermarket support for mods and parts and tacticool accessories. magpul just started offering aftermarket stuff for the 870 and it looks pretty cool, i hope they do the same for the 500.

i would shop around and see what you can find, there are deals to be had. i found my 500 at big 5 for $300 with both the 18.5" and 26"/28" (can't remember) barrels. it was pretty much getting a free barrel and now i'm set for HD and bird hunting (which i hope to get into soon).
Big 5 ? Lol I see this a lot.

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right, cheaper price leaves more money left over from the $400 to customize. im under the impression that the mav 88 can use many of the same parts as the 500 so theres no shortage of options.
from what i've read and heard the mav 88's are the 'cheaper' clone of the 500. i don't know what parts of them are different but i think it's in the forend and rails, possibly some other things as well. i went with the 500 because of the extra barrel for only slightly more than the 88.
 

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Big 5 ? Lol I see this a lot.

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i was amazed that they beat everyone else since their prices are usually higher. it was a pain to buy it because they don't sell many guns so the guy took forever, but other than that i've been pleased with it's performance. it even handles homemade slugs. nothing like turning a target shell into a lug for a little fun :D

 

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Big 5 ? Lol I see this a lot.

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i was amazed that they beat everyone else since their prices are usually higher. it was a pain to buy it because they don't sell many guns so the guy took forever, but other than that i've been pleased with it's performance. it even handles homemade slugs. nothing like turning a target shell into a lug for a little fun :D

 

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Ive got a Mossberg 500, and that gun has been used more than hooker of 40 years! The gun operates flawlessly and would recommend it to any one. The only issue I have had with it, which is an easy fix, is the safety mechanism... don't worry it works fine, but the button is plastic so over time the plastic button gives out. I ended up replacing all the safety mechanism including the safety block, plate, spring, ball, and button, but Instead of replacing with the factory button I was able to find an aluminum one on ebay.... works flawlessly, defiantly would recommend this to anyone who has a 500.
 
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