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http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf

Read it and cringe...
Breaking News for The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Bad features on imported shotguns:
(1) Folding, telescoping or collapsible stock.
(2) Bayonet Lug. (Do any come with this "evil" feature??)
(3) Flash Suppressor. (Any shotguns have these?)
(4) Magazine over 5 rounds, or a Drum Magazine. (None as imported...)
(5) Grenade Launcher Mount. (are there any??)
(6) Integrated Rail Systems.
(7) Light Enhancing Devices.
(8 ) Excessive Weight.
(9) Excessive Bulk.
(10) Forward Pistol Grip or Other Protruding Part Designed or Used for Gripping the Shotgun with the Shooter's Extended Hand.
Therefore, it is the recommendation of the working group that shotguns with any of the characteristics or features listed above not be authorized for importation...

RE: Headquarters -ATF announces the publication of the Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns. To obtain comments from the affected industry, ATF will be accepting comments January 31, 2011, through May 1, 2011, at [email protected]

I'm not positive, but number (4) *could* be interpreted as having the ability to accept a mag over 5 rounds. Not saying such an interpretation makes sense; we are talking about the BATFE, after all.
 

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Sounds like a nice propaganda piece to instill more bans.

Half of those features are DIRECTLY related to getting better times in USPSA and whatnot and therefore SHOULD be legal. Hell, we had to use a bayonet in the last three gun match I shot...
 

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Well they can't be imported with them on there but can you add them on later with USA made parts? And what is considered "excessive" in the weight and bulk dept.? Come on BATF!!
 

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I think importers are already complying. I recently bought an imported home defense style shotgun. 18" barrel and 5 shot magazine capacity (with 2 3/4" shells). A 6 shot magazine would have looked better. Dimples in the mag tube capture the mag spring retainer. The dimples also prevent a simple mag tube extension modification. Removing the dimples would be permanent and might be considered tampering. Oh well, if I can't get er done with five plus one then the battle can't be won.
 

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I don't think this is anything particularly new. Saiga imports their shotguns in the "sporting" configuration, without a pistol grip, to comply with these rules already.

Once they've crossed the pond and into our homes we can add all kinds of fun sh!t to them, as long as there are a sufficient number of American-made parts (I forget how many) installed.
 

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I don't think this is anything particularly new. Saiga imports their shotguns in the "sporting" configuration, without a pistol grip, to comply with these rules already.

Once they've crossed the pond and into our homes we can add all kinds of fun sh!t to them, as long as there are a sufficient number of American-made parts (I forget how many) installed.
Once an S12 is changed from its "sporting" configuration, it can only have 10 "imported" parts remaining to be 922r compliant. So I believe you need 4 American made parts to be good to go. ;) But like you already said, there is so much cool stuff out there, its really easy to remain in compliance.
 

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I've only seen one shotgun that's imported that doesn't meet these rules already, so it makes me wonder what they're trying to prove.

I saw it mentioned on another forum, don't remember what kind of shotgun it was.
 

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I've only seen one shotgun that's imported that doesn't meet these rules already, so it makes me wonder what they're trying to prove.

I saw it mentioned on another forum, don't remember what kind of shotgun it was.
It might be Norinco's model 97' trench gun, I've read on other forums that it might be banned due to it having a bayonet lug, and therefore not having any "sporting" purposes.

 

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I can imagine the British knocking down colonists' doors and confiscating all guns not intended for sporting purposes. You would think that the founding fathers wanted to protect ownership of self defense guns, even more so that sporting guns.
 

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I always tie a cinder block to my shotgun, turkeys like the urban vibe it gives off. Guess my dreams of importing one like that and saving me the hassle of tying the knot myself just bit the dust.
 
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