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Thanks for the advice guys. The stock should be here tuesday so hopefully I have time to install and get to the range on Wednesday. Will let you know how it goes.

Will try to get pics up soon. Currently computer-less (do my Internet from my iPhone). Going to be picking up a laptop soon. Will post pics then. Unless someone can tell me how to do it from my phone. I have pics of it on my phone.
 

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Get photobuckets app...to upload pics it's fast...but then go to their mobile website to get the direct link to copy for your post...also use xdtalk.com, not the forum runner app. It's a pain, but I know it works.
 

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Got the knoxx nrs specops stock and threw it on. I love the way it shoots and I love the adjustability. Came in handy when a bunch of beautiful girls wanted to try it out at the range (no lie as unbelievable as it sounds). The location of the safety didn't bother me at all, although the location of the slide release (not sure if that's what it's called) was hard to get to. Do they make larger aftermarket releases?

I'll post some pics next week (should be picking up a laptop either this weekend or sometime next week). My iPhone 3G (no S) can't download the app and I'm not picking up a new phone until they release the 5G. I'm sure you all can wait a little longer
 

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Bird shot is for birds. In case you forgot, Cheney shot a guy in the FACE with birdshot and the guy lived. Use ammunition that will kill an intruder. You do not shoot to wound.
Actually, the Cheney shooting proves that bird shot isn't as bad a self-defense round as you seem to think.

Cheney was hunting quail with a 28-gauge. Quail hunters typically use #7.5 or 8 birdshot, so I'm going to assume Cheney was using one of those shot sizes. The shooting occurred at a distance of at least 30 yards, and maybe as far as 40 yards, so about 90 to 120 feet. A pellet that lodged in or near the victim's heart later caused a heart attack and atrial fibrillation.

The typical self-defense shooting inside the home occurs at a distance of probably about 10 to 15 feet, and not very often more than 20 feet. So if a 28-gauge with a small shot size can put a pellet in or near enough to a man's heart at 90 to 120 feet to cause a heart attack, I'm pretty confident that a 12-gauge with BBB shot at 10 to 15 feet fired at the face, heart or gonads of an attacker---will be enough to end virtually any attack promptly.

No, I'm not claiming that birdshot is as good a self-defense load as buckshot, and I'd certainly use buckshot whenever circumstances permit. But in an apartment building with thin walls, you do need to give consideration to what a stray round might do to an innocent victim in a neighboring apartment.
 

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Let me speak about my experience with shotguns in combat in Vietnam. #4 Buck is excellent up close but not at a distance making it good for use in a home. 00 buck is also the gold standard out to about 50 yards. After that the pattern is iffy. There was some experimentation with flichettes but they were withdrawn because they brought nothing to the table that regular shells did.

Out of curiosity, we disassembled a 40 mm canister round used by M79 Grenade Launcher. They have the identical # of 00 pellets as a 12 ga. When this came out, everyone was happy with the canister until the M203 replaced the M79.

Do practice with the 12 ga just like a pistol. Despite the theoretical ease of use, it can be difficult to use without a lot of training and practice. I found that 1/2 the men with shotguns in my infantry company were clueless with it. I mistakenly assumed that everyone understood a shotgun. The training between combat missions was needed and kept some guys alive.

As a final statement, despite comments onmthe box, a shotgun is normally a short range weapon. Don't even plan to go beyond 25 to 50 yards at a target. Also, typically penetration is almost always less than a 5.56 (.223) or 7.62 (.308) when using buckshot.

Use of slugs is OK but is a specialist weapon. It is normally NEVER used in combat except for breaching doors.

I hope that this helps.
 

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A couple of things here:
1. Congrats on the purchase, I LOVE my 590, it is super trust-worthy!
2. Many people had to use their firearms in Katrina, there are dozens of stories I have seen, for example 3 guys with machetes went into a man's house to take his generator and he drew his handgun and they decided it was better to just leave.
3. I know you were kidding but buy the bayonette! If I had to justify my "need" to every liberal that tried to make me for my gun purchases or convince some people out there who are just too cool that I bought something for it's pure fun factor I wouldn't own half the stuff I do! Like this baby:
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
Completely tacti-cool but you know what? I love shooting it and every guy that has ever come over to me at the range to check it out and I left fire it has enjoyed it as much!
 
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