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Me and a buddy of mine are both looking at getting a home defense shotgun (semi-auto), we both took a look at the Benelli m4 shotgun last time we were at cheaper than dirt, and fell in love with it.

That being said, ITS DAMNED EXPENSIVE!!!

The 930 SPX looks like a good option, being less than half the price.
One question though, Can it cycle less-lethal rounds in semi-auto? I'm talking about bean bag rounds, rubber projectiles, etc. I know it seems weird to use bean bag rounds in SD scenarious, but it actually isn't always a bad thing. Heres why:

1.) Say your car's being broken into, by a couple of kids, I don't know about you, but I really don't want to kill a couple 15 year olds.
2.) The stopping power (IMMEDIATE stopping power) is actually better from a bean bag round, doesn't sever nerve endings, impact is more spread, etc. I've seen a bean bag round DROP a 300lbs target easily. You will be in more pain from a bean bag round than even a slug, puts people on the ground FAST! They will be back up easier, but down faster. Hard to explain but the physics make sense.
3.) You can always load 1-2 bean bags then buckshot and slugs after those if lethal force is necessary.

Anyone know if bean bag rounds load in the 930?
 

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I'll take the Saiga off your hands! And for my on topic contribution: I love Mossberg, Benellis are great but definitely pricey. Think of all the ammo you can get for the money saved!

I dunno what I think about using less-lethal ammo in your shotgun though. I'm not saying the best course of action is blowing the kids away but at the same time you can really open yourself to civil liability using less lethal rounds (I could imagine a lawyer going after you for not being "properly trained" in the deployment of such munitions) or imagine if your less-lethal approach goes haywire and the situation either a)turns into a lethal force situation or b) your less-lethal deployment kills the person. I'd rather keep the standard munitions and know that -- if the situation escalates to the extent that I need it-- I have deadly force available, and if I don't need it, then everybody wins.
 

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I do not own a SPX, but I do have a M4. I took it out this weekend for the 1st time. It was just great to shoot. Recoil was very low and it ate everything I feed it. I also took out my Winchester defender to compare. The M4 was just fantastic to use. It is very expensive but it was one of my must buys. I will try and post some pics when I get home.
 

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On using "less lethal" ammo:

You are using a deadly weapon--a shotgun.

You are using lethal force--a shotgun.

If the situation does not require deadly force, do not use a shotgun, period.

Thre's a reason they're called "Less lethal" rounds--that means they are less likely to kill whomever you are shooting. However--they can still be lethal...therefore, are still lethal force, period. Introduce them into a situation that does not require lethal force...and you're in for a world of hurt.

Leave the beany-baggy rounds for the cops.
 

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On using "less lethal" ammo:

You are using a deadly weapon--a shotgun.

You are using lethal force--a shotgun.

If the situation does not require deadly force, do not use a shotgun, period.

Thre's a reason they're called "Less lethal" rounds--that means they are less likely to kill whomever you are shooting. However--they can still be lethal...therefore, are still lethal force, period. Introduce them into a situation that does not require lethal force...and you're in for a world of hurt.

Leave the beany-baggy rounds for the cops.
I agree with Cuda

as for the SPX

I love mine!!!!
 

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As far as using bean bag rounds:
Cuda is so right. Man look, if you have a shotgun pointed in someone's general direction it will usually deter criminal action. If you want to run them off use a truely non-lethal round like a bird bomb concussion round. If the bad guys draw down on you then blowing them away is justified self defense, but bustin' somebody with a beanbag or rubber bullet is looked on by all jurisdictions as lethal force in the hands of a civilian, and will be treated as such. They will tell you that you should have called the police, that your insurance would have covered any theft of property you can prove ownership of, and use whatever other firearms you own, and the fact you own firearms in general against you in a court of law. The idea of a beanbag is great, but in application it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. The best thing that ever happened to police is the Taser, as now they can incapacitate someone with very mimimal after effects, depending on the mode the taser is set on. And keep in mind the number one rule of firearms safety, don't ever point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy.
 

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As far as using bean bag rounds:
Cuda is so right. Man look, if you have a shotgun pointed in someone's general direction it will usually deter criminal action. If you want to run them off use a truely non-lethal round like a bird bomb concussion round. If the bad guys draw down on you then blowing them away is justified self defense, but bustin' somebody with a beanbag or rubber bullet is looked on by all jurisdictions as lethal force in the hands of a civilian, and will be treated as such. They will tell you that you should have called the police, that your insurance would have covered any theft of property you can prove ownership of, and use whatever other firearms you own, and the fact you own firearms in general against you in a court of law. The idea of a beanbag is great, but in application it is a lawsuit waiting to happen. The best thing that ever happened to police is the Taser, as now they can incapacitate someone with very mimimal after effects, depending on the mode the taser is set on. And keep in mind the number one rule of firearms safety, don't ever point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy.


Firing that bird bomb is using lethal force...it's coming out of a lethal weapon.

Point being--you don't shoot a firearm--ANY firearm-- regardless of what it's loaded with--at someone unless you're intent on using lethal force.

And at that point, you may as well be using buck.
 

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Yes, exactly. I should have been more clear. I'm not talking about shooting a bird bomb AT someone, I'm talking about the type that are basically a loud blank. The projectile type are hard to come by and in most states require extra paperwork. But you are right, you shouldn't even consider pulling the trigger unless you intend to destroy something or someone. And the idea of a blank in a HD/SD situation is pretty much retarded. I guess shouting "Get the **** away from my truck or I'll blow your head smooth off" would probably convey the message just as well.
 
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