Just because he's selling guns at the gun counter. (Shotgun Rant)

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · Mar 18, 2010

Doesn't always mean the man knows what he's taliking about. I frequent an Academy by work during lunch on a regular basis to kill time. They are probably sick of me. I just can't help but get into the converstations between these know it all gun counter people who think they know everything and give false info to patrons who are buying a gun. Like today these guys were looking at shotguns who obviously never shot one before, and the counter guy tells them for home defense you don't need to aim the shotgun. Then he shows them how to hold the gun for home defense by holding it down at his waist and tells them this is how you shoot a shotgun for home defense and there is no need to aim. I had to bite my tongue!

Now I understand depending on the situation you may not have time to bring it up to your shoulder and get a flash sight picture before you pull the trigger. But it's a myth that you can just point and shoot a shotgun and expexct it to hit your target, because at close range the pattern is really tight and that kind of shot takes practice.

I didn't say anything this time cause I always seem to be interjecting when I'm up there and I didn't want to piss off the man. But damn I get sick of hearing stupid things these guys tell people.:!:

does anyone else have similar stories?

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #2 · Mar 18, 2010

Idiots.

I was at a gun store in San Antonio a while back. This older lady was wanting a handgun for home defense. She was about 60 and had never owned a gun, the ahole salesman talked her into buy a shortbarrel Kimber .45. He told here it was the best there was and the only thing she should consider getting for home defense.

This happened while the other ahole was telling me that the the Glock 27 he was trying to sell me will blow a six inch hole in a bad guy if I used the Hydra Shock Short Barrel hollow points.

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #3 · Mar 18, 2010

haha, both funny stories. You really cant go with gun sellers advice. I've had so many I forgot whats what. Either that or I can cross refrence each story to make a entire short story about 100 page long, publish it and maybe make some money off of it. LOL.

A guy behind the counter said he can hit golf balls at 100 yards with a GSG-5 all day, standing and off hand. This was to tell me how accurate the gun was. I took my hat off and soluted him and walked away. lol

If I knew the gun was that accurate I would of never spend hundreds and hundreds of dollar for trigger kits, stocks, barrels, scopes etc on my 10/22 and could of just bought a GSG-5. If its true to what he said, the GSG-5 is shooting sub-MOA!!

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #4 · Mar 18, 2010

agalindo said:
Idiots.

I was at a gun store in San Antonio a while back. This older lady was wanting a handgun for home defense. She was about 60 and had never owned a gun, the ahole salesman talked her into buy a shortbarrel Kimber .45. He told here it was the best there was and the only thing she should consider getting for home defense.

This happened while the other ahole was telling me that the the Glock 27 he was trying to sell me will blow a six inch hole in a bad guy if I used the Hydra Shock Short Barrel hollow points.

Speaking of .45's. Same Academy store. Another newb was in looking for a pistol. Counter guy tells him if he wants something with stopping power to buy nothing smaller than a .40 because when you shoot the BG you want to make sure he doesn't get up. I just about lost it. He was telling this guy that .40 and .45 were one shot knock down power calibers.

So I said excuse me do you mind if I throw in my 2 cents? He looked at me like I was crazy and I said. Isn't it more about shot placement than caliber? Then he really looked at me crazy and I could tell he was annoyed. LOL! Those guys love me I tell ya.

Anyways after he walked away the patron started asking me questions. I'm no expert but I have learned alot of things especially since I've joined this forum from more experienced, seasoned shooters.

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #5 · Mar 19, 2010

good examples of why i normally only shop at 1 gun store(Florida gun exchange) and deal with the same sales guy. he really knows his stuff and does not BS me or treat me like a moron. he knows i research what im buying and does not try to fluff me up with BS. i trust his opinion. ive bought probably 15 guns from him because of it.

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 19, 2010

TeeJay said:
good examples of why i normally only shop at 1 gun store(Florida gun exchange) and deal with the same sales guy. he really knows his stuff and does not BS me or treat me like a moron. he knows i research what im buying and does not try to fluff me up with BS. i trust his opinion. ive bought probably 15 guns from him because of it.

Good point! It's worth it to find a store with somebody that knows what they're talking about and not try to feed you a line of crap to get someone buy a gun based on hype or BS. Used to only go to one store here but the guy died and the store closed. Damn it! Gotta start all over!

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 19, 2010

I used to work at academy and i would always say two things.
1. I can't give you legal advice.( pelople always ask can i shoot some one if...)
2. All the guns are good. ( people always ask whats the best.) And i would tell them i like XD best then glock.

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 19, 2010

dumbest thing I heard was a dealer at a gun show tell a guy that he only needed to buy one class 3 tax stamp and it was good for life and then he could buy as much class 3 stuff as he wanted! OMG I about fell on the floor.

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #9 · Mar 19, 2010

Acadamy is about as bad as Walmart.

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #10 · Mar 19, 2010

Here's one that happened at an Academy in Houston. I was looking for reloading supplies and I had not been to an academy before. Hey I live an Alpine, Tx. nearest mall is 160 miles away.

So I go up to this guy at the gun dept and say "Do you guys sell reloading components" he stares at me. I say "You know, primers, powder, bullets". The guys eyes go wide "Oh no we we would never sell stuff like that. It too dangerous." I say "Why" he says "People can make bombs out of that stuff":shock:

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #11 · Mar 19, 2010

^^^LOL!

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #12 · Mar 20, 2010

I remember a young jerk (ooops clerk) at K-Mart telling a girl in her mid 20's that all she would ever need for big bear protection was a 9mm Glock and use hollow point ammo. He said one shot in the chest would rip a big ass hole through and through, and drop any bear in its tracks.
I could not hold it back. I told her that she should not believe the BS he was telling her. I told her that she could ask around to get the right weapon for her, First stop should be across town at the Fish & Game office. They would get her on the right track and some firearm safety class.

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Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 20, 2010

mif_slim said:
haha, both funny stories. You really cant go with gun sellers advice. I've had so many I forgot whats what. Either that or I can cross refrence each story to make a entire short story about 100 page long, publish it and maybe make some money off of it. LOL.

A guy behind the counter said he can hit golf balls at 100 yards with a GSG-5 all day, standing and off hand. This was to tell me how accurate the gun was. I took my hat off and soluted him and walked away. lol

If I knew the gun was that accurate I would of never spend hundreds and hundreds of dollar for trigger kits, stocks, barrels, scopes etc on my 10/22 and could of just bought a GSG-5. If its true to what he said, the GSG-5 is shooting sub-MOA!!

I had a GSG5 for a little while. It was fun to shoot but I did not like the design. It was actually a very accurate weapon, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a person could hit golfballs at 50 yards away but definitely not 100 yards. It wasn't THAT accurate.

agalindo said:
Here's one that happened at an Academy in Houston. I was looking for reloading supplies and I had not been to an academy before. Hey I live an Alpine, Tx. nearest mall is 160 miles away.

So I go up to this guy at the gun dept and say "Do you guys sell reloading components" he stares at me. I say "You know, primers, powder, bullets". The guys eyes go wide "Oh no we we would never sell stuff like that. It too dangerous." I say "Why" he says "People can make bombs out of that stuff":shock:

Brain...hurt...must...resist urge to smash head into wall...

Terry said:
I remember a young jerk (ooops clerk) at K-Mart telling a girl in her mid 20's that all she would ever need for big bear protection was a 9mm Glock and use hollow point ammo. He said one shot in the chest would rip a big ass hole through and through, and drop any bear in its tracks.
I could not hold it back. I told her that she should not believe the BS he was telling her. I told her that she could ask around to get the right weapon for her, First stop should be across town at the Fish & Game office. They would get her on the right track and some firearm safety class.

Wow, see this is why you gotta research your **** and not just talk to the idiot behind the counter except when using him to get your new gun from behind the counter and into your hands. Good job on telling her what you did and not trying to say get gun X or gun Y.

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #14 · Apr 4, 2010

agalindo said:
Here's one that happened at an Academy in Houston. I was looking for reloading supplies and I had not been to an academy before. Hey I live an Alpine, Tx. nearest mall is 160 miles away.

So I go up to this guy at the gun dept and say "Do you guys sell reloading components" he stares at me. I say "You know, primers, powder, bullets". The guys eyes go wide "Oh no we we would never sell stuff like that. It too dangerous." I say "Why" he says "People can make bombs out of that stuff":shock:

LOL!!!...does this joint sell muzzleloading supplies too...stuff like pyrodex?...I wonder if they have applied the same "logic" to muzzleloading supplies. I dont know either way,never been to an "Academy" store before..just wondering..lol!

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ShotgunPro

Discussion Starter · #15 · Apr 6, 2010

I was out shooting my Rossi single shot 20 gauge runnin #4 shot, from less than 20 feet away, shot at a milk jug one handed and missed. I was just jackin around, flipped the gun open, threw in a shell, flipped it closed, cocked the hammer with a downward flip (thumb on hammer, barrel weight does the rest), brought it up and fired. I couldn't believe I missed, so I tried it again. ANOTHER MISS. Said, I'll shoot from the hip. Guess what, the jug caught 2 pellets. Moral of this story. Shoulder, aim, fire. Simple as that.
Also, indoors where other people may be sleeping/hiding from the bad guy, take a knee and shoot up into him, instead of straight on, less chance of overpenetrating rounds winding up in little Susie's skull.

As far as idiots behind the counter at the gun stores, Gander Mountain out here man. They had like 4 guys that were top notch, and the store fired them all. I was in there checking out some .44 mag wheel guns and this kid behind the counter knew litterally nothing. I asked him if it was his first day, he said he'd been there 3 months. Also watched their gunsmith put an AR gas tube in wrong. They had a Leupold SRT 1-4x24 mounted backwards, and the list goes on and on. I've resorted to going in and looking at guns there, but not much more than that.

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