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I'm thinking about one of these for a home defense gun. Something my wife would be comfortable shooting. My house close to (and between) a couple others and a big picture window on the front so I'm kinda limited to birdshot. This looks like it would be a fun little gun.

It's $390 at BudsGuns (plus $30 shipping - there are no "Remington Premier" Dealers up here in Alaska according to the Rem website).

Anyone have any info/comments?

Remington Model 870™ Express® Express® 7-Shot 20-GA Premier Dealer Exclusive

 

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I think your money may be better spent on a 12 ga with light recoil rounds. However, one of the gun experts, I forget which one said a good 20 ga was perfect for home defense. I would not shoot birdshot for Home Defense. Lot of good information on the net about HD & shotguns. Do a search on Box o truth.
 

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It is my understanding that a 20 is a fine HD weapon, and if you think the wife can handle it better than a 12 .... Go for it!!

I have to agree with Broadside,
Birdshot is for birds!

Based on you description #4 Buckshot or if you can find it ... #1 Buckshot is the way to go. #00 will work, but will have a greater tendency to over-penetrate.

Myself, I keep mine loaded with #1 ... It's a few extra pellets, doesn't really give up much on penetration, and actually provides more surface area thump upon impact.

There is only one problem with #1 ... It's hard to find. You'd probably have to order it. That's the only way I've obtained it for my 12;)
 

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I would also agree, go with buckshot. Birdshot is for birds, and while at close range it will do damage, it might end up just pissing the intruder off more if he's a big guy(plus you being in Alaska it might be a big animal).
 

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thanks

OK thanks for the info. I was thinking bird just because to 2 most likely places for them to get in would be close to the big picture window or the a sliding glass door. I don't want to hit the other houses. I'm mainly sticking with 20 ga because my wife is recoil sensitive and I've read other reviews (Clint Smith in one of last months gun mags) saying 20 ga is sufficient for home defense.

I'll research some more on box o truth. Thanks for the info!
 

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If you're getting the Knoxx stock (pictured with the gun you posted earlier), it will reduce recoil even more. A 12ga with a Knoxx SpecOps kicks less than a 20ga (IMNSHO) without.

20ga + Knoxx = pussycat
 

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OK thanks for the info. I was thinking bird just because to 2 most likely places for them to get in would be close to the big picture window or the a sliding glass door. I don't want to hit the other houses. I'm mainly sticking with 20 ga because my wife is recoil sensitive and I've read other reviews (Clint Smith in one of last months gun mags) saying 20 ga is sufficient for home defense.

I'll research some more on box o truth. Thanks for the info!
Yeah the #4 buckshot should be fine. Lead shot would be better for the overpenetration thing.

If the first round doesn't do the trick, try again.
 

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Well

Well, I ended up ordering one from Bud's. I let you all know how it works out when it gets here. My only other experience with one was an old 12 ga single shot one from Sears that my dad got at a yardsale for $50.
 

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OK thanks for the info. I was thinking bird just because to 2 most likely places for them to get in would be close to the big picture window or the a sliding glass door. I don't want to hit the other houses. I'm mainly sticking with 20 ga because my wife is recoil sensitive and I've read other reviews (Clint Smith in one of last months gun mags) saying 20 ga is sufficient for home defense.

I'll research some more on box o truth. Thanks for the info!
What's the neighbors exterior made of ???
Well, I ended up ordering one from Bud's. I let you all know how it works out when it gets here. My only other experience with one was an old 12 ga single shot one from Sears that my dad got at a yardsale for $50.
Sounds great.
Let us know how the wife likes it. That's the important thing.
 

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Birdshot

I don't really know. These are old 1950s houses built in Alaska so they aren't the greatest quality. Everything is just rushed to get them built before winter hits again.

Concerning the birdshot...that was a really stupid idea I should have researched a bit more...

from The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 2

"Birdshot as a Defense Load
I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?

We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.

A policeman told of seeing a guy shot at close range with a load of 12 gauge birdshot, and was not even knocked down. He was still walking around when the EMTs got there. It was an ugly, shallow wound, but did not STOP the guy. And that is what we want... to STOP the bad guy from whatever he is doing. To do this, you must have a load that will reach the vitals of the bad guy. Birdshot will not do this.

In fact, tests have shown that even #4 Buckshot lacks the necessary penetration to reach the vital organs. Only 0 Buck, 00 Buck, and 000 Buck penetrate enough to reach the vital organs.

Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot. Use 00 Buck. It will do the job. (MY EDIT: You never know...Hitchcock's The Birds come become real one day--haha)

But doesn't 00 Buck penetrate too much in interior walls to be a "safe" load in a home?
Yes, it does penetrate a lot. But any load that is going to be effective will need to penetrate walls to have enough power to penetrate bad guys. If our only concern was to be sure we didn't penetrate walls, we would use BB guns. However, BB guns will not stop bad guys.

Therefore, we must use loads that will STOP bad guys, and this means that they will also penetrate walls. So, be sure you hit the bad guy and do not shoot into walls where loved ones are on the other side.

When To Use Birdshot
A friend of AR15.com sends this:

"I saw a gunshot victim, about 5' 10" and 200 lbs, taken to the operating room with a shotgun wound to the chest. He was shot at a range of six feet at a distance of just over the pectoralis muscle. He was sitting on his front porch and walked to the ambulance. We explored the chest after x-rays were taken. The ER doc had said 'buckshot' wound, but this was obviously not accurate.

It was # 6 shot. There was a crater in the skin over an inch in diameter. When the shot hit the level of the ribs, it spread out about five inches. There was ONE pellet that had passed between the ribs and entered the pericardium, but not damaged the heart at all. As you say, 'use birdshot for little birds.'"
 

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