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I picked up a box yesterday since I use PDX1 in my carry pistols. It looks pretty impressive, with three shots of 00 buck on top, then a 1 oz. slug underneathand supposedly low recoil. I'm a little concerned about the "brass" since it doesn't look like brass, rather, more like blued, heat treated steel.

Has anyone tested this at the range? How did it perform for you?

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To me slugs and buckshot serve very different purposes, so combining them in one shot doesn't help me any.

I keep buckshot loaded for in my house (up to 10 yards) without too much over-penetration. It would likely stop at my siding, if not at the siding of another house (and that's if I miss my target).

Slugs are around for longer range shots and will defiantely overpenetrate a two-legged predator, and probably other houses in my area. I would keep slugs loaded if there were no other houses around or I was defending against large four-legged predators (in which case I wouldn't want to waste space with buckshot, I would want the biggest hunk of lead I could fit).

Birdshot seems ideal for houses with people in other rooms on the same level as you (an apartment complex, or adjacent rooms with kids in them).

Keep it simple. Personally it frustrates me when ammunition companies (and certain gun companies) take something like self-defense with deadly force and try and market "gimmicks" based on no ballistic or factual data. It is irresponsible and misleading.
 

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To me slugs and buckshot serve very different purposes, so combining them in one shot doesn't help me any.

I keep buckshot loaded for in my house (up to 10 yards) without too much over-penetration. It would likely stop at my siding, if not at the siding of another house (and that's if I miss my target).

Slugs are around for longer range shots and will defiantely overpenetrate a two-legged predator, and probably other houses in my area. I would keep slugs loaded if there were no other houses around or I was defending against large four-legged predators (in which case I wouldn't want to waste space with buckshot, I would want the biggest hunk of lead I could fit).

Birdshot seems ideal for houses with people in other rooms on the same level as you (an apartment complex, or adjacent rooms with kids in them).

Keep it simple. Personally it frustrates me when ammunition companies (and certain gun companies) take something like self-defense with deadly force and try and market "gimmicks" based on no ballistic or factual data. It is irresponsible and misleading.
Birdshot is ideal for anything with wings, or small mammals.

For any mammal larger than a jackrabbit, it is a terrible choice, no matter what it's habitat...

As for the PDX-1 mentioned here...it's a gimmick round originally developed in .410 for a gimmick gun (the Judge), and expanded to other calibers because a marketroid at Winchester figured people would think it was neat-o.

If you want a slug, load a slug. If you want buckshot, load buckshot.
 

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I guess thinking that birdshot seems like it fits the bill for tight quarters where over penetration CANNOT happen. When you're shooting 5 yards and closer away, the grouping of lead is so tight, it performs pretty well in flesh, and then will stop in a wall.

Either way, we're in agreement on the thread topic. We've got that going for us....
 

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I guess thinking that birdshot seems like it fits the bill for tight quarters where over penetration CANNOT happen. When you're shooting 5 yards and closer away, the grouping of lead is so tight, it performs pretty well in flesh, and then will stop in a wall.

Either way, we're in agreement on the thread topic. We've got that going for us....
See the thread where the badguy took four hits of birdshot at close range and is just fine.

Heavy clothing can and does stop birdshot at close range, and each pellet does not penetrate near deeply enough to be effective at stopping. Out of a typical HD shotgun--that is, one with a short barrel and no choke--the column will spread enough to lose the devastating effect one can get with light shot with, say, a full choke (this I've seen used on large mammals to great effect, at 10' distance or so...but you need a 28" barrel and a full choke).

I'm a 00 buck fan; #1 is supposed to be better, but that's also considering at distance. However, if I was living someplace with that tight of quarters, where I wouldn't be making a shot more than 15 feet, I'd probably consider #4 buck...but more likely--and if it were an opton--a .223.
 

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I have not shot the PDX ammo, at first it seems like some good stuff, but the more I look and think about it. Just seems like a compromise that does not really achieve anything.

I will stick with OO Buck.
 

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Just seems like a compromise that does not really achieve anything.

I will stick with OO Buck.
I think if your planning on shooting slugs anyway for home defense then it's an excellent ammo, if you happen to miss the bad guy by a couple inch's with the slug then 1 or 2 buckshot will hit and slow him a little until you can fire again, and if you do hit center mass with the slug then the fight is over with anyway and the extra buckshot sure won't hurt anything. I bought a couple boxes to try out with my new 590A1.
 

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The 12ga round looks like a gimmick to me too. However I do use the 410 version and it does impress me. I do not own one of them neufangled revolvers though. I have a cheapazz Super Comanche with a 10" barrel. It just happens the 45LC PDX1 is very very accurate from it. I bought a box of the 2.5" PDX1 and it does well on paper and puts a real hurtin on critters. I just bought a box of the 3" 4 disc 16 BB pellet PDX1 and the first thing I noticed is it feels like it has an ounce or more in the shell. I bet it thumps real hard. I will test it this fall on some critters and put a few on paper. The 410 PDX1 really shines when you use it in a shotgun though and the no gap singleshot I have does a real good job at extending the usefull range of the round by alot.

I wont try the 12ga version, but the 410 round used in guns other than the Judge has potential to be usefull.........
 

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I've shot the PDX1 12ga through my 18.5 Remmy 870 cylinder choke. It performs just as advertised. The shot spread perfectly every time with the slug centered. At 15yds the entire spread was about 8-10 inches. Out to 25yds it was 2.5 feet. I'd say it would work fairly well indoors at close ranges.
 

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I'll stick with my #2 shot, thank you.
If I may sir, and this is only a question for information purposes for me. Why #2 shot?

I know it hits hard on game at long ranges. As a kid when Pheasants were skittish and would flush wild if you got within 40 yards and shots were around 60 my dad used #2 shot. He kept a 20 gauge full choke singleshot in the truck and would switch to it for long birds. he had 3" 20 gauge #2 shot and was a bird killin fool with that gun and that load at unreal ranges. Back in the mid 90s Federal had a #2 12 gauge HD load that was a flash in the pan and I liked that load.

Where do you get it and what brand?

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i did pattern it on some butcher paper and liked it if i was on the trail for bears and outside critters but would not use any slug it for hd. a slug may have some pass-through or a miss could penetrate a wall with great force
 

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i did pattern it on some butcher paper and liked it if i was on the trail for bears and outside critters but would not use any slug it for hd. a slug may have some pass-through or a miss could penetrate a wall with great force
So will any round that will do enough damage to get a rapid stop on a goblin.

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pdx1

i have shot pdx1 granted i have a 28 inch barrel and accu-choke but all i can say is in my gun its really accurate and the chrome plated buckshot is like 3 .38's which i dont know who your trying to stop but if a slug and 3 .38's can stop you and thats just one round i dont know what can i shot through a steel barrel went inside and outside other end the slug was massively destructive leaving about a 2+ inch gapping hole where the slug hit and all three 38's hit on target and penetrated all the way through in and out as well from about 35 ft first shot so i dont want to hear people saying its a gimmick it flat out works try it if you still dont like it theres something wrong with you.
 

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i understand the overpenetration aspect but depends on where you live if the houses are really tight together probably not the best option but it is a great round period.
 

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I primarily have Federal LE132 #00 buck, but bought a couple of boxes of the PDX for sh!t and giggles plus I can get it at my local Wally World whereas I have to order the Federal online. IMHO, a slug for home defense is a no-no, but if I ever got to the point where I've exhausted my #00 buck, I'm in a pretty bad situation and wouldn't be too worried about over-penetration. I'd be more concerned about where I'd get more ammo.

I'm waiting for the Federal LE132-1B #1 buck to become a little more widely available to stock up on it.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=99583
 
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