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Great hunting section! I was hoping for one hunting forum and you came up with four - bravo! Thanks!

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While I appreciate the Hunting Section, where do we discuss the use of shotguns for non-flying critters like Bambi and Peter Cottontail and all the othe forest creatures that Disney puts out there for us to eat ? (Joke)

But seriously is the shotgun considered a birding weapon more than a mammal weapon? I don't bird hunt, but I do take Deer, Hogs, and smaller animals with my shotguns. I think the sight of me with my Saiga 12 Semi-auto with a 20 drum full of slugs and buckshot would cause some of the Purdy shooting Duck Hunters to faint...and the wardens to call in a SWAT team before checking my papers ! (Big Grin Here)
 

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While I appreciate the Hunting Section, where do we discuss the use of shotguns for non-flying critters like Bambi and Peter Cottontail and all the othe forest creatures that Disney puts out there for us to eat ? (Joke)

But seriously is the shotgun considered a birding weapon more than a mammal weapon? I don't bird hunt, but I do take Deer, Hogs, and smaller animals with my shotguns. I think the sight of me with my Saiga 12 Semi-auto with a 20 drum full of slugs and buckshot would cause some of the Purdy shooting Duck Hunters to faint...and the wardens to call in a SWAT team before checking my papers ! (Big Grin Here)
Hi Al - How about here in the General Hunting and Conservation forum? My take was that since this is a shotgun site we're pretty much just talking shotguns here and this was the catch-all forum for hunting?

That reminds me I wanted to ask you about Indiana hunting regs - are you restricted from hunting deer there with a large caliber rifle (30-06, .270, .243, etc.)? The 77/44 I bought is coming from Indiana and the shop there had a lot of 77/44 and 77/375 rifles in stock. The owner told me he hunts deer with a 77/44.

To keep the thread more or less on shotguns - do you think a slug gun is a better or inferior choice to a 77/44 or a classic 44 Mag Carbine?

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Several questions there, and I will try to answer all in the context of comparing shotguns to rifle/pistols used here in Indiana. First, The hunting regs are focused on the case length. Maximum legal case is 1.8" which allows 44 mag and 480Ruger and a couple of others in that league. NO .223 or 7.62x29mm allowed, and none of the standard rifle calibers. Minimum diameter has some funny quirks... 45 Colt but no 45 acp, 357 mag but no 38 Special. No 30 Carbine allowed, but you can use a rifle that fires the bigger center-fire pistol round (hence my 77/44) No 9mm legal either.

Up to this year I used 12 ga slugs for deer here. They do the job, but considering the typical Whitetail is on the small size in our area, the 12 ga is a bit of overkill. I considered using a 20 ga slug, but after my wife's success in our Missouri hunt in Sept. using a Ruger semi-auto carbine (44 mag). I decided to go that route also and found a SS 77/44 for my deer gun this year.

My slug gun is a Saiga 12. I have used it on Texas Hogs and Indiana deer. It does the job very well. I have acquired several other shotguns, but other than test firing them, I have not done anything with them...A couple of Mossberg 500's, an Escort 20 ga slug-gun, and a couple of old top-break single shots. Then there is the Antonio Zoli I bought last week. I posted photos and info on it in another thread. It is an outstanding gun, Absolutely Beautiful in the same manner that the top-end Browning O/U's are beautiful.
I have not decided it's future. But if offered it's face value, I will part with it, for sure. I just don't shoot shotguns enough to appreciate them.
Here's my Saiga 12
 

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Several questions there, and I will try to answer all in the context of comparing shotguns to rifle/pistols used here in Indiana. First, The hunting regs are focused on the case length. Maximum legal case is 1.8" which allows 44 mag and 480Ruger and a couple of others in that league. NO .223 or 7.62x29mm allowed, and none of the standard rifle calibers. Minimum diameter has some funny quirks... 45 Colt but no 45 acp, 357 mag but no 38 Special. No 30 Carbine allowed, but you can use a rifle that fires the bigger center-fire pistol round (hence my 77/44) No 9mm legal either.

Up to this year I used 12 ga slugs for deer here. They do the job, but considering the typical Whitetail is on the small size in our area, the 12 ga is a bit of overkill. I considered using a 20 ga slug, but after my wife's success in our Missouri hunt in Sept. using a Ruger semi-auto carbine (44 mag). I decided to go that route also and found a SS 77/44 for my deer gun this year.

My slug gun is a Saiga 12. I have used it on Texas Hogs and Indiana deer. It does the job very well. I have acquired several other shotguns, but other than test firing them, I have not done anything with them...A couple of Mossberg 500's, an Escort 20 ga slug-gun, and a couple of old top-break single shots. Then there is the Antonio Zoli I bought last week. I posted photos and info on it in another thread. It is an outstanding gun, Absolutely Beautiful in the same manner that the top-end Browning O/U's are beautiful.
I have not decided it's future. But if offered it's face value, I will part with it, for sure. I just don't shoot shotguns enough to appreciate them.
Here's my Saiga 12
Al - Thanks for the info. Not planning any Indiana hunts but always interested to hear how the regs are applied in different states. I assume you can hunt deer with black powder? I have a T/C in line muzzleloader that's pretty accurate out to 200 yards. But no followup shot!

I've never lived or hunted in a state with such restrictions so I've never shot a slug gun or hunted with one. Just curious.

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Yeah, Indiana is a bit odd...sort of a HyBred between the shotguns only in the East and the 'Anything goes' of the Western States. No buckshot allowed for deer here.

I am really looking forward to getting my 77/44 set up with 3 weeks til opening day. We have a large number of deer doing a daily tour of our 3 acre orchard and garden. and a ground blind set up on the back porch/deck. We don't plan on walking too far to get our quota this year. No neighbors in the line of fire either. The pkg deer tags in Indiana this year allows us to get one buck and two does for $65...with additional doe tags at $15 or so each up to a total of 8 in this county (limit of tags varies by county).

There are Muzzleloader, archery and cross-bow seasons too, but I am just a plain-gun hunter.
 

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Wow - hunting literally in your own back yard! That will be a lot of tasty venison. Good luck and I hope we both enjoy success with our 77//44s. I plan to be in MS with mine in two weeks.

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I am not sure if my PM got thru, So here are a couple of shots taken from our kitchen door. The single doe is 30 yards out, the others are 40 and 50 yards out and the group shot shows how they looked together. Opening day will be a fun time here. A couple of small bucks came in 30 minutes after these photos were taken, but it was too dark to photo them.




 

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Hey Al - I did get your PM and tried to write back. Maybe you got it, but anyway - great to have wildlife at your back door. Looks like you have some nice fall color going on. I've been down here in south Florida for over 20 years and I miss the change of seasons.

Good luck on opening day! Are hunting in a bathrobe and slippers this year?

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Hey Al, where in Tx. do you hunt hogs? I hunt them when I go and visit my son. I used to hunt them alot while I lived there then I got transferred to Hoosier land. LOL I live on the central Gulf coast area. Those coastal hogs seem more agressive than father inland brush country. Must be the mosquitoes
 

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Hey Al, where in Tx. do you hunt hogs? I hunt them when I go and visit my son. I used to hunt them alot while I lived there then I got transferred to Hoosier land. LOL I live on the central Gulf coast area. Those coastal hogs seem more agressive than father inland brush country. Must be the mosquitoes:eek:.
 

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I am not sure if my PM got thru, So here are a couple of shots taken from our kitchen door. The single doe is 30 yards out, the others are 40 and 50 yards out and the group shot shows how they looked together. Opening day will be a fun time here. A couple of small bucks came in 30 minutes after these photos were taken, but it was too dark to photo them.




Al - any of these deer now tucked away in your freezer? We're hunting this week in MS - nothing yet here.

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