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Went to the gun show last Saturday and was minding my own business looking for "Chip" mags for my TRP Operator. One of the vendors that I was talking to said that while handguns are excellent weapons and do the job alright, he had a different solution. He sait that if there were 10+ guys getting ready to start something outside his house, he'd just grab his Saiga-12. My next question (which got me into trouble ;)) was . . . "what's a Saiga-12? He then laid it on me of what it does and pointed to a booth up front where he thought they had one. I went, found out a little more, and held it. Well, that where it started.

Bottom line is, after all of the "been hard to find" business and "price gouging" from dealers that has been going on, my guy called and said he just got in a few. So, as of Wednesday, I joined the Saiga-12 club. :D Even sprang (so far) for the UTG Pro quad rails, Tapco stock/grip kit, and Troy front grip. Changed the appearance night and day. Next to get is the MD-20 rnd mag and a new choke. They recommended the Polychoke (the sharkteeth one but I can't find it in the Polychoke brand). I see them in other brands and believe some guys fefer to it as the "doorbuster" style. Also, a different puck like alot do for shooting lower loads like birdshot, etc., but said it really wasn't needed.
Last thing that really concerned me when I started looking at it all that evening was the white label in the box (it's the long, white label on the trigger guard). The one that has the serial #, tracking # barcodes. Found out that they get their weapons from Century Arms and they all have white lables. Anyway, I was shocked to see this on it:
"Caution: This is a used firearm. Like all used products it should be carefully inspected before use". And on the back it says in effect, if this is used, let a gunsmith check it out, etc., etc.
Well that really popped my bubble alright and was now thinking how did I end up getting a used weapon??? I even drove back to the gunshop yesterday (45 min. each way) to get to the bottom of it. You could tell she was ready for me (as I called before I went) because she said as I walked in the door that I must have read it wrong. I then showed her the tag that clearly said "used" . . . Even though I didn't accuse them of selling used for new, I just wanted to understand the meaning. She said they would never do that and tried to explain what the label possibly meant (as best she try and not sure herself of why, it wasn't a good and clear explanation to me). Just curious, I asked to see the other Saiga-12 boxes that went to the ones on the rack. Sure enough, both of the other labels said the same thing. She said that she better have gotton "new" weapons for what she pays and again she doesn't sell used. Said that she's calling them for a better explantion. At any rate, I was just trying to understand the terminology of what appeared to indicate they were used and for her to get the info for her own safety as well.

I called Century Arms themselves this am and asked the same question to get the final explanation. He did put my mind at ease though and said that all of their white tags (evidently denotes Century Arms) says that. They just have one tag for everything. Just easier for them to do one tag for everything. He verified it when I read the numbers off and the key letter which denotes new is " - N " at the end of the numbering. Surplus, refirb, etc. ends with different letters. He said that I wasn't the only one that asked that. I said that they may want to think about the "used" part on them though.

Anyway, didn't mean to get into all of it but thought it may help someone else feeling the same way that I did. Looking forward to the few more goodies and actually shooting it. All this from going to the gunshow, not even looking for a shotgun, and asking for "Chip" mags . . . lol.
 

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Yeah, I need to pick one up as well

Thanks for the white label warning......

Don't foget to get a drum mag for it.....I think they are like 40 or 50 rounds....their maybe a 100round available too....can't remember

Oh, and pics or it never happened
 

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So what's the real scoop on these things? I heard that there are some import restrictions with their box magazine which necessitates the trigger group being moved back after they get into the USA. Is this true?
 

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Yeah, I need to pick one up as well

Thanks for the white label warning......

Don't foget to get a drum mag for it.....I think they are like 40 or 50 rounds....their maybe a 100round available too....can't remember

Oh, and pics or it never happened
Yes, like I said the MD-20 is on the short list (20 rounds) and working on the choke, as well. Pics to come when I get a minute. It sure does look different from stock. :cool: :D
 

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20 round drums are fun! Take a bit to load though so I usually use the 10 rnd mags for plinking.
You will not be able to cycle low brass shotshells with the factory gas plug and spring. If you change the plug you can cycle some light loads, federal bulk for instance. Even with the new plug I can't reliably cycle Remington bulk.
I have been told that after 2-300 rounds the springs soften up and they will eat anything.
Be aware that with the hard plastic stock you will get some bruising from buckshot, still fun! Oh and you can only load 2 3/4" shells.
Other than that it is an AK, we call it the Rapture Bringer. Or the smile maker depending on mood...
Here is a pic of mine:



Have fun!
 

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So what's the real scoop on these things? I heard that there are some import restrictions with their box magazine which necessitates the trigger group being moved back after they get into the USA. Is this true?
There's a bunch more stuff on the Saiga-12 but mainly it is how scarce they are currently, the increasing prices on them, and if they're going to be still allowed into the US. Well, just in the last day, I've found out alot about it and seems that mostly a scare tactic by alot of people on the availablity, and as far as prices, the dealers are paying less now than they were before. They'll say they're still hard to get though. Anyway, when I asked the Century Arms guy what currently seems to be the average selling price of them is, he said that in the neighborhood of mid to high $600.00. Alot have paid alot less before and some alot more. I paid $670.00 (a so-called deal since "you better get one before we can" scenario) a few days ago. At any rate, I got one, it's new, and it's done. If they start dropping the prices alot, I may get another.
 

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20 round drums are fun! Take a bit to load though so I usually use the 10 rnd mags for plinking.
You will not be able to cycle low brass shotshells with the factory gas plug and spring. If you change the plug you can cycle some light loads, federal bulk for instance. Even with the new plug I can't reliably cycle Remington bulk.
I have been told that after 2-300 rounds the springs soften up and they will eat anything.
Be aware that with the hard plastic stock you will get some bruising from buckshot, still fun! Oh and you can only load 2 3/4" shells.
Other than that it is an AK, we call it the Rapture Bringer. Or the smile maker depending on mood...
Here is a pic of mine:



Have fun!
Thanks and :cool: pic! Yes, I also heard that after a few hundred round break-in, you may not even need a new gas plug or "puck" I believe it's called. Don't know what load I'll be shooting normally yet but since these are pretty inexpensive, I will probably get one to have.

Was also looking at the EOTech "Holographic" scopes since afterall, I'm made of money . . . Lol!
 

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Thanks! It took about 4 hours to modify it. An optic is in my future. Going to move the bushnell holo sight from my AR to the saiga. I think the both eyes open holo will be pretty nice on it. Also looking at using some flip flop material to lengthen the stock and add some padding.
With the folding stock and my monkey arms I find myself getting hit in the cheek with the trunion/hinge. Remember to lean way forward to improve stabilty... Or just bump fire from the hip.
I am not yet sure how I am going to mount the optic, dust cover rails are silly, and I would like to keep the iron sights open.
Always something to tinker with!
 

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Thanks! It took about 4 hours to modify it. An optic is in my future. Going to move the bushnell holo sight from my AR to the saiga. I think the both eyes open holo will be pretty nice on it. Also looking at using some flip flop material to lengthen the stock and add some padding.
With the folding stock and my monkey arms I find myself getting hit in the cheek with the trunion/hinge. Remember to lean way forward to improve stabilty... Or just bump fire from the hip.
I am not yet sure how I am going to mount the optic, dust cover rails are silly, and I would like to keep the iron sights open.
Always something to tinker with!
You're welcome and like the color as well. "Always something to tinker with alright! And I thought I was just into handguns when this new toy came to my attention (ha ha ha). Btw, what do use to store yours; a case, etc.?
 

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Once the value of your collection reaches the price of a safe, it is already time to have one IMHO. I include ammo, magazines, accessories in that too.
Used to sell computers and it amazed me that people would spend 2k on a bad ass gaming pc and then plug it into a 20 year old $5 power strip.
 

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Ha ha . . . I read it fast at work and missed the decimal, lol. I've got 3 myself that's covering that. These things can bite alright and just the Saiga alone can rack up the $$$'s in extra goodies (if you're not careful which evidently I'm not).
 

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When my dads house was broken into he lost several firearms. One of which was a mint condition Belgian hi-power. That alone was worth enough to buy a nice safe.
Didn't want that to happen to me.
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