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Old 10-25-2018, 01:05 PM   #1
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Unhappy Targets showing "Edge" only

Last Tuesday we were shooting SC on a newly laid out course and we encountered crossing and incoming targets where only the edges were exposed. Sort of like a very "flat" target. The first time I shot I was 99% sure I hit the target but instead of breaking it the target just spun. It was a right to left crossing target. My partner did the same thing and also felt he had hit the target. The next time we encountered a "flat" target was on an incoming shot about 8' off the ground and the same thing happened. I was sure I hit it but it just went into a spinning motion, We asked the guy that was loading targets and he said that sometimes if you only hit the edge of the target it will not break but will go into a flat spin. Is that possible ??
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Old 10-25-2018, 02:09 PM   #2
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What distance and what ammo were you using?
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Old 10-25-2018, 03:55 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by oneounceload View Post
What distance and what ammo were you using?
Rio 1oz of 71/2 shot. Lower barrel had a modified choke upper barrel had a full choke.... distance for crossing targets were 25-35 yards. Incoming targets were about 15-20 yards. Targets were shot at with both barrels and spinning occurred with both barrels. I was shooting a Beretta SP and my partner was using a Browning Citori.
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Old 10-26-2018, 10:19 AM   #4
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Since the target is already probably spinning when it comes off the trap, how could you tell that hitting it made it spin?

I shoot SC every week, have seen a ton of presentations like this but never saw one spin more. OTOH, I have seen ones that were edge on, mostly long crossers, that would stop in midair and fall to the ground when hit and never break, not even when they hit the ground.

I accused the SC manager of using aluminum birds.
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Old 10-26-2018, 11:24 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Flash View Post
Since the target is already probably spinning when it comes off the trap, how could you tell that hitting it made it spin?

I shoot SC every week, have seen a ton of presentations like this but never saw one spin more. OTOH, I have seen ones that were edge on, mostly long crossers, that would stop in midair and fall to the ground when hit and never break, not even when they hit the ground.

I accused the SC manager of using aluminum birds.
Or maybe those concrete birds !
It is hard to explain how we picked up what appeared to be a change in the spin of a bird in flight. The target seemed to wobble and then settle into a different type spin than its original flight. I know it sounds strange and it may be that we did miss all those targets but I just never saw a target act like that, And then there was the "loader" who said he has seem it many times an it was not that unusual. I do not think these targets stopped in mid air and then fell to ground. They just seemed to increase in spin and fell. Another thought came to mind... My wife was shooting the same targets and when she missed the targets maintained their normal spin wjen she hit them they broke.
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Old 10-26-2018, 12:48 PM   #6
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In your face shots are better attempted by us regular guys with more open chokes and lots of pellets. Were these BIO targets by chance? They have a tendency to not break even when hit; you get what folks call "dust" from the orange paint but no chips. 7.5s for edge targets are good to break through the thicker part of the rim. I have "moved" targets without breaking them, always frustrating.
Remember with an incomer that is also dropping to bow to the target, otherwise, you'll be shooting most of your pattern over and the few pellets in the lower pattern may have too many holes for a bird to get through.
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Originally Posted by oneounceload View Post
In your face chokes are better attempted by us regular guys with more open chokes and lots of pellets. Were these BIO targets by chance? They have a tendency to not break even when hit; you get what folks call "dust" from the orange paint but no chips. 7.5s for edge targets are good to break through the thicker part of the rim. I have "moved" targets without breaking them, always frustrating.
Remember with an incomer that is also dropping to bow to the target, otherwise, you'll be shooting most of your pattern over and the few pellets in the lower pattern may have too many holes for a bird to get through.
I am not sure if these were BIO targets. I will ask next time I go to this club.
I do believe they were White Flyers and I now know that they are a big manufacturer of BIO targets so maybe that is my answer.
I am not sure what your comment about the chokes meant. Were you suggesting I go with a more open set ?
I do agree that maybe we were shooting over the target and only the less portion of pellets hit the clay. It was really weird to see those targets shimmy then spin.
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IF the targets are in your face close, using M/F - unless you are really proficient, means being a tad overchoked for the presentation......if something is incoming and close, I want a SK or IC at the tightest.
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I agree with 1oz above. At that short range, unless you hit the target with the center of the pattern, shooting a Mod or full choke you would be hitting with the fringe. One should use skeet, or IC at the most, at that range, because the pattern spread is more effective. You may wish to pattern your gun using the ammo you normally shoot. It is possible that the bulk of the shot is not in the center of your pattern. I find in my patterning of ammo, the center of the shot string varies quite drastically as I change a particular ammo manufacturer, pellet size, pellet weight, and pellet velocity. My current 12 gauge tournament gun, Beretta DT 11, will not center pattern Win AA, 1 oz, 7 1/2 well; however, Rem SKS, same size & weight centers almost perfectly.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:03 AM   #10
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Birds on edge offer so little surface to see and hit they are very difficult targets. I always look at them to see if there is a place where the face shows as a break point. If not then I look for a good break point and focus on gun insertion and gun speed. I also reload so I control my choice of load and speed depending on how far the edge target is away will determine which shell I would use. If close I would use 8.5 shot if far away 7.5
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